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Old 05-13-2013, 04:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Couple of questions

Sasha's a little over 3 now and pretty well behaved/obedient. She's never been the friendliest with other dogs even as a pup when I tried to socialize and took her to her training classes. Yesterday during a walk I was pretty upset with how she reacted to some kids.

She's very lovely with people, when new people come to the house she will bark and get excited and I've even seen her heckles raise but we've never had problems with new people (Except people that just get scared of her barks+being a pitbull and get uncomfortable- with these people I usually keep her away)...

Yesterday we were walking and two kids asked to pet her, but they cam running right up and she got jumpy and let off a growl - I told them that it wasn't a good idea and just kept walking.. I was very upset.. A block down there was a little dog that got her all riled up but I don't want to make excuses.

She's never seen much kids as we don't have any nor do my friends, one kid came over once and they played just fine all day in the yard...

Honestly not sure what I should do, should I try to walk her in places with more people? Train her somehow?

let me be clear I don't think she has an aggression problem towards people but I didn't like this behavior at all. The animal aggression/excitement I've dealt with OK, besides her getting excited during walks when she see's a dog, but I just keep walking..
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If the kids came running up to her, it probably scared her. Are you sure she growled and didn't grunt? I have a dog that grunts, it sounds like a growl to others but he's really just grunting.

If you're worried, you can take her to a private trainer for classes or just call and ask about this problem.

Has this been the only time she's growled at kids before? Did she bare her teeth or was her teeth showing when she growled? Did the hair on her back stand up?
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If the kids came running up to her, it probably scared her. Are you sure she growled and didn't grunt? I have a dog that grunts, it sounds like a growl to others but he's really just grunting.

If you're worried, you can take her to a private trainer for classes or just call and ask about this problem.

Has this been the only time she's growled at kids before? Did she bare her teeth or was her teeth showing when she growled? Did the hair on her back stand up?
It was kind of a short bark like when she hears stuff in the house at night and she was very jumpy around them.. That's when I told them it would be better if they didn't and they left sad.

She's never had problems with kids, but like I said she doesn't see many. Only once has she actually been around a kid and they played fine all afternoon.

When new people come to the house she does bark a lot and her heckels on her back are raised(in training class they said this is excitement).. We've never had a problem with this but it's not as inviting to people as a wagging tail of the bat so it's always an issue because some people don't like meeting her because of this.

She's never had any problems with people and within a couple of minutes she's fine with the strangers.

I may look into a trainer near me, I've been wanting to try to get her to remain calm when she see's other dogs and a trainer would pretty much be my only choice.

Would you recommend one of those trainers where you let her stay for a couple of weeks?
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Dog training is basically you finding methods on how to get the dog to do what you want. If you ship the dog off for training they're going to find the methods for you and you'll be clueless. So you want to get a dog trainer that will interact with you both and if need be go to your house. The best dog trainers not only train dogs but train the human as well.
About her growling: It sounds like she just wasn't use to people running up to her but that's just a guess.
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Dog training is basically you finding methods on how to get the dog to do what you want. If you ship the dog off for training they're going to find the methods for you and you'll be clueless. So you want to get a dog trainer that will interact with you both and if need be go to your house. The best dog trainers not only train dogs but train the human as well.
About her growling: It sounds like she just wasn't use to people running up to her but that's just a guess.
Thanks! I asked my friend to come around again with her kid so we can get them together again. I agree about the training so if I feel the need I will look into it.

How do you feel about the reaction I described when new people come to the house?
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I would recommend to go to a trainer where you can also be there with your dog (private trainer). It's better if you're there with your dog so that you can see the training methods, etc. Training is a good way to bond with your dog. Training your dog will help to see your dog's strengths and weaknesses, too.

I would not recommend that you go to a group training class because there will be other dogs there.
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I would recommend to go to a trainer where you can also be there with your dog (private trainer). It's better if you're there with your dog so that you can see the training methods, etc. Training is a good way to bond with your dog. Training your dog will help to see your dog's strengths and weaknesses, too.

I would not recommend that you go to a group training class because there will be other dogs there.
Thanks. We went to training as a puppy at a great obedience school near me. I have emailed that trainer with my concerns and let her know about her issues with dogs to see what she says. I will see what she suggests can be done.

She's always been OK around dogs when properly introduced and I mentioned that so maybe we can work something and ease her into the classes maybe with a muzzle at first.. Obviously I wouldn't leave her unleashed or anything..

I emailed her and will see what she says.. Hopefully the price isn't too bad but if I can get some of these things corrected it will be worth it. Other than that she's my perfect baby


Thanks for your advice!
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Yesterday we were walking and two kids asked to pet her, but they cam running right up and she got jumpy and let off a growl - I told them that it wasn't a good idea and just kept walking.. I was very upset.. A block down there was a little dog that got her all riled up but I don't want to make excuses.
Just out of curiosity...did she react to the dog before the kids ran up to her?

If so I don't think it's making excuses to acknowledge that she just had her system flooded with adrenaline and cortisol and thus was already in an overly aroused state which can take quite awhile to come down from...

I have a reactive dog so I can vouche for the fact that once they go over threshold, it does take awhile to get them back down. I've done allot of work with my dog and she's learned to recompensate a bit quicker but in the beginning there were days when one episode of going over threshold would set her up to be on high alert for the rest of the walk (and obviously MUCH quicker to react to any change in stimulus or energy level).

Also having a reactive dog I've noticed that my dog reacts to stimulation/energy levels. She does GREAT with calm children; however kids running and jumping, yelling, squealing amp her up and she will bark and if allowed would rev herself up as much as the kids. She's not at all aggressive; but if allowed she would get way too excited and too rough.

Don't know if this helps or not, just my experience.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Just out of curiosity...did she react to the dog before the kids ran up to her?

If so I don't think it's making excuses to acknowledge that she just had her system flooded with adrenaline and cortisol and thus was already in an overly aroused state which can take quite awhile to come down from...

I have a reactive dog so I can vouche for the fact that once they go over threshold, it does take awhile to get them back down. I've done allot of work with my dog and she's learned to recompensate a bit quicker but in the beginning there were days when one episode of going over threshold would set her up to be on high alert for the rest of the walk (and obviously MUCH quicker to react to any change in stimulus or energy level).

Also having a reactive dog I've noticed that my dog reacts to stimulation/energy levels. She does GREAT with calm children; however kids running and jumping, yelling, squealing amp her up and she will bark and if allowed would rev herself up as much as the kids. She's not at all aggressive; but if allowed she would get way too excited and too rough.

Don't know if this helps or not, just my experience.

Yea, the dog was maybe 5 minutes BEFORE the kids so that's why I mentioned it. And she got very jumpy because the dog was on one of those stupid retractable leashes and almost came up to Sasha before the owner was aware. It also came up barking like wanting to start shit(little black puffy dog)...

That's why she was worse than usual, she usually just looks at dogs kinda wines and maybe pulls there way but with this dog it was worse because he ran up to us.
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Just got a reply, they offer a "Grumpy Growlers" class, with 6 people max for 7-8 weeks.. Here is the description..

Grumpy Growler
If your dog reacts aggressively – lunging, barking, snapping – when encountering a strange dog, this class can help. Your dog will learn a new
way to perceive canine strangers, and you will learn how to read your dog’s signals and gain some valuable tools and techniques to help you
manage dog-to-dog encounters. We will use reward-based training, and muzzles where necessary. Class limit 6.
Special Requirements: Submit behavior questionnaire prior to first class.
Dog must be on flat collar, martingale collar, harness or head halter. No prong or choke collars permitted.
No dogs in the first class
Skills Introduced: Your dog will learn to accept the presence of a strange dog.
The handler will learn how to read the dog’s signals, and how to manage dog-dog encounters.
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Here is a reply given to a member by another member in a different thread. When asked what questions should be asked to the dog trainer
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What is their experience?

do they have experience with animals that genetically have a high rate of DA?

Rates of course. Any of your own concerns or questions as well like assuming time may be an issue, how will they work with you and if they will come to you.

You also want to see if locally they have any word of mouth, any one can claim they are a trainer but if no one has heard of them or hard pressed to have any reference at all, chances are they are fairly new or just starting out period.
I think this thread can help you out https://www.gopitbull.com/obedience-t...eem-legit.html

I think the main thing is finding out whether or not the trainer is familiar with pit bull type dogs. You don't want to get a trainer that believes they can train DA out of these dogs because that means they don't know these dogs well enough to train them.
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I think this thread can help you out https://www.gopitbull.com/obedience-t...eem-legit.html

I think the main thing is finding out whether or not the trainer is familiar with pit bull type dogs. You don't want to get a trainer that believes they can train DA out of these dogs because that means they don't know these dogs well enough to train them.
Cool, I'll ask some questions. This is where I took Sasha for her puppy classes and they seemed OK. But I don't know about special training like this.

This is a class where I would go and do the training, not a boarding type ting.

This is their site:
Port Chester Obedience Training Club - White Plains, NY
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Why no prong? I would find out what styles they use. I'm not a fan of places that only teach one style as dogs vary degrees of learning.

I agree with jazzy Mel used to get amped up towards other things after encountering something's. I found structured pack walks and a good reactive dog class. I don't let any strangers approach Mel. Sometimes he is ok sometimes he is anxious and I don't want to get him amped up so I avoid direct contact with any dogs or strange humans on walks. In my yard and house is another issue. As long as I keep Mel comfortable he is fine. Good for you for looking at classes.


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Why no prong? I would find out what styles they use. I'm not a fan of places that only teach one style as dogs vary degrees of learning.
From the description of the class it sounds like it is based on counter-conditioning so they wouldn't use any aversives.

That's just my guess. But it does seem that allot of the "reactive" dog classes are based on counter-conditioning and Leslie McDevitt Control Unleashed techniques.

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