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Old 09-05-2013, 08:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Hello, i am new to this forum. Please help! I know this text is kind of long. I know its kind of late but i have a red nose pit that is unneutured. She pees on every stop. The worse thing though, is that he pulls. One time i tied him up to like a 50 pound brick with the choking collar, and he dragged it... So the choking collar doesnt work that well. Ive been reading online that i should give him a treat if he behaves well, but he doesnt like treats. What should i do?


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Old 09-05-2013, 08:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You tie him out with a choke chain?? That's a no no!! 50 lbs isn't much for a dog to pull around to be honest. My dogs can pull more weight than I can and I can carry 2 30 lb bags of feed in one arm.


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Old 09-05-2013, 08:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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1: if you dont want tied to something with a device capable of choking you to death on dont do it to the dog.
2: prong collar and a trainer to show you how to fit and use it. Problem solved.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Without any experience at all use a prong collar not a choke collar, you can severely damage a dog's throat with a choke collar.

I recommend taking training classes as you need to learn the technique of using a choke or prong collar, they're not to be used with a tie out...

To start out, get a 6 foot lead and keep the dog on your left at all times. Hold the lead loop with your right hand and with your left hand place your fingers OVER not under the lead on your left side leaving the dog a little slack. Try walking around the house and if your dog does something wrong you need to pull then release giving the dog a nipping sensation to the neck which almost always lets the dog know you're correcting it.

What I just said was extremely basic use of a prong collar and it's not something you can just read and learn, like I said you should take a training class on how to use one with an instructor who can help you.

Pulling is probably the easiest thing to correct with a prong collar, but if you do it wrong you risk damaging your dog physically and mentally.

Something I did in MS paint to give an example. Dog on the left, right hand in loop, left hand over the left side of the lead. Make sure the dog stays to your left with a little slack and pull, release when you need to correct him/her.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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really? i have a hard time believing everything u wrote here.. first off like the others said dont tie out to a choke chain. second, im sure ur dog weighs more than 50lbs so why are u surprised that he can pull that much? third, if u dont know how to use a choke chain then dont use one.

what kind of treats are u using? i have never met a dog that didnt like treats. its just a matter of what kind....
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:02 AM   #6 (permalink)
 
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what kind of treats are u using? i have never met a dog that didnt like treats. its just a matter of what kind....
I agree, I've seen some really abused dogs who would accept a treat from anyone.

@Mat, Try cutting up vienna sausages and see if he will take them.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:53 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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I have found that viennas, chicken, balony, or liver are the most preferred treats by my pup and my dads Rottie (though my dads rottie will work for ANY form of food lol).

Maybe you should get a head collar. That way you have as much control over your dogs movements as a horse rider over a horse. There are some really great designed out there if you are not sure how to use a prong or choke collar.


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Old 09-05-2013, 09:56 AM   #8 (permalink)
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what kind of treats are u using? i have never met a dog that didnt like treats. its just a matter of what kind....
Lol my German shepherd doesn't like 99% of treats, honest to god. It's always awkward when people ask if they can give him a treat and I have to explain that they are welcome to try but to please not be offended if he won't take it. He's just very picky my mix will eat anything you put in front of her, food or not.
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I agree with corey, take training classes to properly learn to use a choke chain or prong, they can be extremely effective when used correctly. You need to be trained to train your dog. Use a flat collar when tying him out because if not, you could look out to check on him and he will be.... well.. dead. Too many people think they can train a dog on their own. Ive been going to the same trainer for years and I'll continue to take every new dog I bring home.
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Hello, i am new to this forum. Please help! I know this text is kind of long. I know its kind of late but i have a red nose pit that is unneutured. She pees on every stop. The worse thing though, is that he pulls. One time i tied him up to like a 50 pound brick with the choking collar, and he dragged it... So the choking collar doesnt work that well. Ive been reading online that i should give him a treat if he behaves well, but he doesnt like treats. What should i do?


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Uh huh. Anyone else see the red flags? Smells like some real stinky bait , hook is bent and rusty too.
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The thing about aversive methods is that timing needs to be practically perfect for them to be effective. Otherwise you run the risk of confusing the hell out of your dog and ruining their trust in you.

While aversive methods have their place, the risks of implementing them are high and if you have no idea what you're doing (and you clearly don't)... Well, then you're gonna have a bad time.

All dogs respond to PR methods, it's just a matter of building and identifying motivation. I'm not adamantly against using punishment in training IF you know what the hell you're doing. For the majority who aren't going to do it right, positive methods are the way to go. You aren't going to screw up your dog that way.
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Why don't you contact me and I will get you the proper equipment. I would recommend a prong collar and I have video that show you how to properly put it on and off. I can also tell you how to use it.
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Hello, i am new to this forum. Please help! I know this text is kind of long. I know its kind of late but i have a red nose pit that is unneutured. She pees on every stop. The worse thing though, is that he pulls. One time i tied him up to like a 50 pound brick with the choking collar, and he dragged it... So the choking collar doesnt work that well. Ive been reading online that i should give him a treat if he behaves well, but he doesnt like treats. What should i do?


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ive used prong and though it is effective, it only works on leash (obviously). I am a firm believer in a remote training collar. You can do more with it in terms of obedience. Get your dog to obey on and off leash. If you decide to go with one, ask us on here which one and how to get started. dont start the training without guidance. it can ruin the effectiveness.
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Whats the difference between the two? I have the ones with the spikes going into it. I only tied him up to the brick once. But that was just an example of how strong my dog is.


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