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Old 10-07-2013, 06:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dogs are people too....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/op...-too.html?_r=0

Interesting article. Not sure if it's enough proof in itself but opens up to very interesting theories and conversations. Soooo many would have a hard time believe the results though.

"But now, by using the M.R.I. to push away the limitations of behaviorism, we can no longer hide from the evidence. Dogs, and probably many other animals (especially our closest primate relatives), seem to have emotions just like us. And this means we must reconsider their treatment as property.

One alternative is a sort of limited personhood for animals that show neurobiological evidence of positive emotions. Many rescue groups already use the label of “guardian” to describe human caregivers, binding the human to his ward with an implicit responsibility to care for her. Failure to act as a good guardian runs the risk of having the dog placed elsewhere. But there are no laws that cover animals as wards, so the patchwork of rescue groups that operate under a guardianship model have little legal foundation to protect the animals’ interest."






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Old 10-07-2013, 07:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Saw this on the GSD forum, very interesting. Pretty sure everyone knew dogs had emotions already, tho
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Saw this on the GSD forum, very interesting. Pretty sure everyone knew dogs had emotions already, tho
I know a LOT of people who disagree maybe so they feel better about how they treat their dogs? who knows. I know a TON if people who view dogs as property not a member of the family. As I know tons who view them as a family member and eat better then they do. I am not saying one is right and the other isn't, but when you see studies like this equating intelligence, emotions and response to that of a child, I can already see those making parallels proper kennels setups or if someone would want a child chained in their backyard how would they like it type of arguments.
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:36 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I can see that too and personally I agree with those arguments. I think a dog belongs in the house and you should treat them as you would any other member of the family, and they should have more rights than they currently do.
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Im not saying dogs dont have emotions, but what rights do they need? And canines have been living outside since the dawn of their species. No need to move them in now. The logic behind that we should build hotels for elephants since they have feelings too lol.
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Old 10-08-2013, 05:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Nah, animals don't need buildings. Different species, different needs. Dogs as they are today however have been evolving alongside humans for so long there is now an interdependence between the two. Essentially, what a human is able and willing to adapt to the domestic dog is also able and willing to adapt to.
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There's a difference between an elephant and a dog, though. Dogs are domesticated, and depend on people. My neighbor keeps his dachshund in the yard 24/7 and I can't stand it. I've always bitten my tongue about it but a dog sitting in a yard alone is one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Yes they can live outside but I feel my dogs get enough outside time when we exercise and then we go inside to hang out. Xena will get really whiny at bedtime and crawls into your lap, I feel she craves the attention and couldn't imagine making her sleep outside all alone in a doghouse.

As far as rights, I meant the ones mentioned in the article. Making the owner a legal guardian and the dog a ward and protecting the dogs from exploitation by banning puppy mills and such.
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Nah, animals don't need buildings. Different species, different needs. Dogs as they are today however have been evolving alongside humans for so long there is now an interdependence between the two. Essentially, what a human is able and willing to adapt to the domestic dog is also able and willing to adapt to.
Oh I certainly get that. My elephant hotel was a joke. I just see a bunch of fur mamas around the camp fire when I hear things like this lol.

And in certain asian countries my elephant hotel makes plenty of sense lol. Theres places in the world dogs are definitely second to the elephants lol. Theyre domesticated and used(amd have beem for hundreds of years). They deoend on their human handlers just as heavily as dogs.
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Hey, dont knock the sacred cow lol. All I was saying is if its good for a dog its good for every other animal. You have to stay objective to these things. Yes the dogs have adapted to living with us but they can still survive on their own. They dont NEED to be inside. Im sure they enjoy it but its far from a necessity. All over the world different animals have been domesticated to a certain extent. Do snakes need to be in glass tanks with heat lamps just bcuz there are some kept that way?

Im not saying im right by any means just sharing my view point.
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If you can find it to stream somewhere (I think I watched it on Netflix) watch the NOVA documentary "Dogs Decoded". It gives some interesting insight into the merged evolutionary process of canines and man. Ames and i were discussing this the other day. She saw a different documentary that covers just how far the domestic dog has come from their wolf ancestors. Domestic dogs can survive on their own, sure. But there is a level of dependence that has been reached by the canine and humans exclusively.

ETA: It's not available to stream here but it gives a good description of the program http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/nature/dogs-decoded.html
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I watched it, I really liked it. The science of dogs was really good, too.
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I really wish I could remember the name of the one I saw. It will come to me I'm on a mission now.

The same can be said for any animal or person. People do not NEED to live inside it's just very nice to have a roof over my head and a door that keeps the elements out lol.


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Here it is. The last 10 minutes covers the dog/wolf experiment: Science of Dogs - Video Dailymotion
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