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Old 12-15-2013, 07:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Raw food menu

I been doing a little more reading into the prey model raw diet and I'm wondering what is a good variation of meats. So far when I go shopping I have run across of course chicken but no chicken backs. I recently saw chicken feet and beef heart. I can find turkey legs pretty easily and turkey necks are not a problem. Also liver and kidney is easy to get to. I think I have to hold off on the pork if I remember right. I was curious what others use in the raw menu. I do believe I will switch but i have to do all the proper research. Thanks
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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If you can feed at least 3 meat sources you should be good to go. We feed PMR and we use lots of chicken, with beef/pork/fish added and then alternate organ meats between chicken/beef/pork and we add in anything else we find on sale or in bulk. Variety is the spice of life
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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So can the organs be fed with the chicken/beef/pork when the part of the diet comes up or separate. I thought because organs are rich it shouldn't be in every meal. Sorry I haven't read that far yet with the kids and all. I guess I'm like a lot of people who are apprehensive about it and have the same questions as many.


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Old 12-15-2013, 02:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You can feed organs a couple times a week or you can feed every day in smaller portions. hope that helps!
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I have been sorta xperimenting with something and it really does seem to help...I was just going to do it for a month but I like it so I will be going into my 3rd month this week...

but.......I grind my chicken[legquarters]. and for everyquarter I put in the grinder I try to put 10%[not xzact but close] the wght in organs also. it will mix in.. and what I do then is put it in freezer bags 8ozs. at a bag,,, flatten it out a bit to it's about 1/4'' thick and freeze it...so I have my organs and chicken at the same time..and it saves a ton of space in the freezer!

here comes the part that some will really disagree with...
when I give it to the dogs I weigh it out to the dogs wght. mine have gotten to the wgt that 8 ozs. is almost perfect, and then I add dry 24/20 dog food...[not kibble] I hate that term lol.i feel the same way most do about dry [some good and some bad] but I do feel that the dry does have some things that the dogs need.. and I also add a spoon of lard with it just to make sure the fat is good enuf... add a muti vitamin and 3 days a week a raw egg..

its sounds time consuming and I reckon it is but my dogs are worth it..
I can grind 40lbs. and pack it in about 3 hours...

when they crap its only twice in 24 hrs., and they are healthy and active!
even the old yard dog with the pawn shop hip is acting better!
main thing this time of year I want to keepa bit more fat on them...have to thank fh for the lard deal, I seemed to have forgot that's what we did wayback when...lol

some days when its real cold, i'll add a can of warm chicken soup[surfer] and no raw.
they love that...
now some will say OMG you shouldn't mix it like that..well to that I say...bull!

these dogs are the picture of health and that comes from the vet! not me..
and at 93.00$ for each to have a blood work done last month,i'm not arguing!
and these are apbt's!!! not blues or mixed with no allergies or whatever...
[well all but 1, she's ukc stuff but she's my buddy]
if you buy the stuff in bulk and have the time it's not that bad money wise!

my bad for running on too much,but just figgered I'd give you another idea to ponder.
and you'll probably git 50 more that are just as good or better...
this is just my way and if it aint broke I aint fixing it!!!

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WOW! I'm cruising tonite and am very happy to check this forum. Diet is so important and unlike us or our children the dogs will really eat what we serve! Anyway someone put me up to speed on feeding and for what purpose etc. You know I subscribe to the old grammar school 5w's and H, who, what , when, where, why and how! We use to serve beef hearts etc i.e. chicken fish and so forth. I ended at the position we should feed a great diet. I did carb loading and I believe it's important to keep these dogs happy, fit and fed well. Tell me what 's happening
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So can the organs be fed with the chicken/beef/pork when the part of the diet comes up or separate. I thought because organs are rich it shouldn't be in every meal. Sorry I haven't read that far yet with the kids and all. I guess I'm like a lot of people who are apprehensive about it and have the same questions as many.


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Yes, I feed organs with anything and no issues and some people feed organs alone, depends on how YOU want to do it.
Organs arent any richer than any other food, and as long as you follow the slow and steady rule and get the dog used to eating them like you should be you wont have any issues. I feed organs with every single meal, you can do that or like COACH said you can feed them a few times a week, once a week, doesnt matter so long as they are getting an appropriate amount of organs since they are vital for a healthy dog.

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WOW! I'm cruising tonite and am very happy to check this forum. Diet is so important and unlike us or our children the dogs will really eat what we serve! Anyway someone put me up to speed on feeding and for what purpose etc. You know I subscribe to the old grammar school 5w's and H, who, what , when, where, why and how! We use to serve beef hearts etc i.e. chicken fish and so forth. I ended at the position we should feed a great diet. I did carb loading and I believe it's important to keep these dogs happy, fit and fed well. Tell me what 's happening
For what purpose? The body works best on species appropriate foods, and a dog is a carnivore and works best on meats, bone and organs. Thats what they have always eaten and up until kibble was invented thats what was fed. We feed a pretty strict PMR (Prey Model Raw) diet here, meaning no vegetables or grains. We do add in some oils, ACV and that type of stuff but for the most part pretty much muscle meats, bones, and organs.
I am not a fan of carb loading and no offence lol think its old fashioned and the science is there to tell you its not the best thing for a dog.
We will be trying out a PMR/BARF mix coming up soon once we move. Our dogs thrive and do very well on PMR, but harder work and more being expected out of them is making me try out some different vegetables that benefit a hard working dog, because I personally think you should always look to improve
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Old 12-16-2013, 04:04 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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When you feed RAW bones are included right? Doesn't it splinter?


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Cooked bone splinters. From what I've seen raw bone doesn't.

I feed feed 80% meat, 10% bone, 5% liver and 5% kidneys.

Jones gets organs every day. But this is his variety. Chicken (bone in breast), lamb (lungs and hearts), turkey (bone in widget), beef cubes (no bone), tripe (the black kind), fish (bone in).

I am looking for a another protein. It will probably be goat ot rabbit, depending what I can find at a good price.

It has taken a while to get him know so many different proteins. But his stomach has been fine with it.




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yea bones and all...i grind it all together...so no worries about that....
But before just gave the quarters whole...
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I'd love to feed raw one day eventually. Just want to make sure I know what I'm doing first bc it's gotta be perfect and I dunno if I trust myself just yet so right now I'm perfectly happy with Orijen


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My dogs love raw i feed chicken leg quarter, chicken necks and backs, tripe, chicken livers, ground beef. i mix in dry food also victor 24/20 they love it i switch up the meats through the week to keep them wondering what they are going to eat. Their stools are harder and it keeps the smell down its why i like it the most. Also with raw i feel like its a whole lot easier to control your dogs weight i get my dogs where i want them an then you can maintain it.
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Cooked bones should never be fed, as stated cooked bones arent the same as raw and are very brittle and dont get broken down in the gut which can lead to perforated intestines = death.

Raw bones are very safe and the dogs here eat them daily. Raw bones break down easily and dont splinter like a cooked bone.

Only worries about raw bones are the weight bearing bones of large ungulates, and I think deer backs. They are pretty hard and could result in teeth breaking if not supervised.
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