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Old 02-18-2014, 06:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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hey guys well 4 days ago i started my pups on raw, they are now 4 months old and their shots are up to date, well yesturday i was given some fresh chicken tripe, so naturaly i cleaned it all very well with water only , both pups loved it, now in these 4 days i dind have a problem with loose stool or diarrhea, all they have eaten is chicken, beacause i read that they should get used to one protine for atleast 1 week before going on to the next one....well anyways everything was going great they were eating like champs, but this morning my girl has diarrhea like really bad, it was all water and she seemed really sad, still waiting for my vet to message me back, but what do you guys think?
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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well got the call from the vet and told me what to do, he said that as long as i keep her well hydrated she'll be fine, glad one of my best buds is a vet lol, but i'd like to hear from you raw heads what you're think happend
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too many variables to determine that over the waves..
4 days is still changing up their digestion and bacterias, chances are you are just seeing the change now.. What else are you supplementing them with other than water and chicken meat?
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I thought the transition to RAW was super slow, feed chicken necks for a while, then slowly introduce other proteins livers and such. Maybe take another look at how to start feeding RAW. Are you doing PREY model or BARF?
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too many variables to determine that over the waves..
4 days is still changing up their digestion and bacterias, chances are you are just seeing the change now.. What else are you supplementing them with other than water and chicken meat?
well my vet told me to give them "pro sense daily vitamine puppy" so i've been giving them boneless chicken legs and grinding the bone and i've been adding alittle organ meat like liver heart and lungs
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I thought the transition to RAW was super slow, feed chicken necks for a while, then slowly introduce other proteins livers and such. Maybe take another look at how to start feeding RAW. Are you doing PREY model or BARF?
im doing prey model yeah maybe i shouldnt be feeding organ meat right now and should wait alittle longer, well shes looking better now she's alittle more active but still wont eat :/ it just scared me cause she was the onlyone who got sick haha
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yeah that's scary! Some dogs are different though, I would keep it more one at a time so you can figure out whats causing the issue. I know it could take up to 6 weeks and dogs usually go through a stage where they dont look so good around week 3-4 lol I know they are all different but just so you know what might happen.

Here is the week 1 and 2. Also they want you ro feed the bones, beneficial for the teeth cleaning and having the bones to chew. I saw you are grinding them up for them? Is there a reason?

Weeks 1 and 2

Fasting your dog one day before giving them anything raw is highly recommended, followed by a small meal of raw the first day is best. Too much raw food all at once can be more detrimental than good. You will want to feed only one protein source during this time. The most recommended thing to go with is bone in chicken parts. Chicken cheap, easy to find and easy for a dog to digest. I recommend feeding chicken backs for the first 2-3 days. Chicken backs are higher in bone content. The higher the bone content the firmer the stools will be because bone is a constipating agent. Too much bone can cause problems but shouldn't be an issue in the beginning. After the 3rd day I would add in chicken quarters alternating with backs every other meal. Chicken leg quarters have a bit more meat to them and less bone. You don't want your dog to become constipated on nothing but chicken backs. Continue with alternating chicken backs and quarters until you have noticed consistent firm stools for at least 7 days in a row.

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Hopefully at this point you haven't seen any digestive upset! But if you have...DON'T PANIC! Dogs that have been on kibble for a long time generally have the hardest time with the switch because their bodies are not used to such a new food. Sometimes dogs go through something that some call the "detox" stage. To me its more just a transition that the body must undergo from digesting overly processed, species inappropriate foods to whole, fresh, raw foods. During this time digestive enzymes must change to be able to digest this new diet. Sometimes this can take up to a few weeks. Loose stool and occasional vomiting is seen during this time but these usually clear up within a day or so. If not, taking your dog to the vet is a good idea.

Seeing pieces of bone in stool is normal in the beginning. You will see less and less of this as time goes on. The body is in its adjustment phase and is still getting used to breaking down bones. Digestive enzymes are changing and their ability to break down bone becomes more and more effective as time goes on. Don't panic if you see pieces of bone in your dog's stool. Trust me, its normal.

This "detox" stage is the reason why weeks 1 and 2 are exclusively one protein source. It poses the easiest route for the body to become adjusted to a 180 degree change in diet. If you were to undergo the same change, going from mostly processed foods to fresh whole raw foods, your body would not be the happiest in the beginning. In the long term your body would thank you immensely for the added health! Keep up the good work and stay strong. Make sure the connections you have made with your support team are there for you all along the way.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:58 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I agree, and Ames, as always there with the info ! The organ meat was probably to blame, a little too much up front I suspect,, research what each organ provides specifically and total only about 10 % should be organs.
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
 
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yeah i agree it could be the organ meat, but my vet said it might also be the chiken tripe that i gave her yesturday haha anyways she's looking better now so we'll have to see what happens tomorrow, oh and ames the reason why i grind up the bones is that i wasnt really sure if she would chew enough for her to be getting whole bones, but thats something i'll have to try out tomorrow. now my other question is kimbo my other dog gets whole chiken heads with the skin and everything but the first day my girl tried them she got a loose stool not diarrhea but it wasnt solid either well i was telling the vet this and he said that maybe the fat from the skin might be to much for her stomach, what do you guys think? anyways thanks so much ames and heavyjeep for all the help
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yes the tripe could also have played a big part, either way, do some research before you harm your pup...
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