thaim

is raw ground beef ok to feed? will it get them sick if you feed them too much of it.

smith family kennels

it can it does carry bacteria and other parasites. I learned a valuable lesson on raw the hard way. I will never feed raw again but thats my opinion

pimpidypimp

Raw ground beef is good! If your worried about parasites freeze it first!
As a rule -To much of anything is still too much, and therefore bad!

pimpidypimp

I'm not the author of this but It cant be said any better, I got this from another board, This is good info and 100% truth! Raw is absolutely the best way to feed your canines! Dont be fooled into believing otherwise!
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I will start this thread with my reasons for not feeding raw (or more accurately, why I waited so long to switch over to feeding raw)


1. My dogs look fine on kibble. I fed Exceed Chicken and Rice Professional Formula for years. My young dogs that stayed active on the chain looked excellent off of kibble. My old dogs live long lives, and my old studs and old bitches were still productive into their elderly years. Due to these facts, I was very reluctant to change. The factor that finally pushed me to change was the photos of Jacks old 10 year old bitch on raw, and a fine looking daughter of Bailey (that was on a raw diet) that was here for stud service.

** Now that I am feeding raw, these are the benefits I see:

- Shiner, softer coats
- Stools that are 1/3 the size they were, and are tight with little to no odor
- Cleaner teeth. Chewing the bones removes a lot of the build up off the dogs teeth.

As a side note on this, on my search for cheap meat, I went to a major chicken processing plant in our area, trying to score a good buy on chicken. All of the human grade chicken, was properly packaged and handled. All of the guts, heads, feet, feathers, and other waste, went into a large waste water truck, and was shipped to dog food manufacture. Then this waste was futher destroyed by the cooking process, and then dehydrated into the little dry garbage we refer to as kibble.

I will tell you it fells great to feed the dogs a large healthy piece of human grade chicken, as opposed to little chunks of dehydrated, cooked, chicken plant waste.


2. Feeding raw is too expensive. Well I still have not crunched all the number on this, but Jack has put a diet out on the General Dog Discussion board, called Feeding Raw for less than Old Roy. You can use the search function to find that thread, and most of this has already been addressed.

I am feeding a "Prey Model Raw Diet". We will get into this later, but basically it is composed of:

- 80% meat
- 10% bone
- 10% organ meat (5% liver, 5% other) The other can be lungs, kidneys, eye balls, brains, etc.

The main meat / bone source in my diet is chicken quaters. I get my quaters for $.48 / lb., which is cheaper than any quality kibble.

Since a chicken quater is higher than 10% bone, I plan to supplement the chicken quater with a small piece of deer meat once season comes in.

Once you begin feeding raw, you will quickly learn to find cheap meat sources. Here are some of my sources for cheap meat:

1. A local meat processing plant in my area, allows me to place a barrel there. They throw waste in there. On the side, I have wrote:
- heads
- organs
- bones
- (no guts)

I pick this barrell up once a week, and give the owner $10. The contents will vary, but always worth my money.

2. Old meat. I let all my friends know, especailly those that hunt, I want meat. If their freezer goes out and they are questionable if the meat is still safe to eat (for humans) or if the meat gets freezer burnt.

3. Hunters. Their is a shit load of meat on a deer. A lot of times hunters will loose a blood trail, and have to leave the deer laying till the next day. Depending upon the situation, they may be uncomfortable eating that meat. Well no worries, I will take it.


3. Feeding raw is too complicated and time consuming. With a little reading and research, it really is not complicated. You will use digital scales at first, to get an idea how much meat you are feeding, but after you become comfortable, you will just throw the dogs a piece of meat.

One key factor to remember about the raw prey model diet, is "over time". You do not need to give exactly 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organ every day. They days I am in a hurry, feeding is quick and simple. Small dogs get a small chicken quater, most dogs get a chicken quater, and big dogs get a chicken quater and a half. Very simple and quick. Then 2 or 3 days a week, when I have ample time, I go around also feed the livers, organ meats, etc...

pimpidypimp

I feed mostly raw! Beef, Deer, rabbit, Chicken, Roadkill, and even pork! Bones and all, The pork is always frozen first before I give it to the dogs, Feeding raw will result in a drastic positive change in your animals within a couple of weeks! Your dog will let you know what it likes and don't like, some prefer chicken, some don't like liver etc.
Eggs are good also, and I havent met a dog yet that dont like raw hamburger, The fattier the better! Ya know the old school hamburger, like When you fry a cheeseburger you end up with more grease than meat, just remember Fat is essential to canines and carbs arent! the'll get more nutrition out of low grade hamburger than top shelf pricier leaner stuff!
So I would say your doing your dog justice Thiam by feeding hamburger Dont let anyone tell you any different even if its your vet, Like a lot of vets out there, they will try to get you to buy what they carry, most are gettin kickbacks for promoting and selling it, like Science Diet peddlers, Lol I think they promote that garbage to keep themselves in business with sick unhealthy dogs! If you switch to raw and your dog happens to see a vet cause its ill, 9 times out of 10 it wont be from nutrition or lack of it!

performanceknls

Are you feeding raw now or are you feeding kibble? then want to add raw meat on the side? There is a big difference between the two.

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Who's to say that the raw crowd has not fooled you as well? Without proof your post is no more valid than any other opinion to be quite honest.

pimpidypimp

Proof is in the pudding homeslice!
But really I got nothin to prove nor any interest in providing any type of proof! To be honest I don't really care what others feed there dogs! My concern is for MY DOGS And what is best for them! I felt I have something helpful to say about raw from experience, Considering I was also once blind in the dark but NOW I SEE!
Im the kind of person that feels I have something usefull to say, not the kind that just has to say something!
Suck on that!

Proud Marine Dad (Got the BAN STICK)

You say:

Then you follow up with:

How can it be 100% truth and the absolute best way to feed if you have no proof nor even any desire to back it up?

Homeslice? Grow up kid! That ignorant sounding street talk doesn't fly with me.

Indigo Bully Connection

Pimp was just kidding around

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How was I supposed to know that?

pimpidypimp

For real I was just bein a smart ass, I get that way sometimes.
As for A raw Diet. It dont take a rocket scientist to know that it's a better Diet than 99% of the comercial food out there! Not to say There's not some excellent dry kibble on the market, cause really there's some dry food made from high quality human grade ingredients, and frozen stuff that is also good but super expensive, which is mostly raw anyways.
I cant never really be fooled into believing hype, one of my personality flaws of bein such an Annaliser prevents that sort of thing! I feel If you already havent given raw a shot, maybe you should try it! Thats what I did! I'm a witness to the benefits of feeding natural and wont ever go back to bagged up dog food unless I absolutely have to!
And Actually your right about it being an opinion, it's a VERY hands on educated over 20 years of bulldawg's experienced one!
This here is one of my dog's on a natural diet And the pic still dont do the diet justice! You'd have feel, touch, watch, and experience all those 500 thousand cubicles of energy pulsing through my dogs body to truly appreciate a raw diet! Now as for me I don't look so good when I eat raw! A pic of me on a dogs diet As you can plainly see! I'll take things to an extreme when I turn the Analise switch on.
I actually look a whole lot better on a supersize me cheeseburger and a large fries kind of diet, after switching back to reguler food I morfed back into > My regular self! So there's some proof, And If your still not convinced, really I wouldnt know what else to say!

Proud Marine Dad (Got the BAN STICK)

That's cool.

Well a claim like that needs some proof so I wouldn't say it is better than 99%of the commercial food out there without some solid data to back it up.
If it works for you go for it but I wouldn't claim it is the best diet as I don't think it is nutritionally complete as a quality kibble unless you are adding a lot to it in which case it gets even more complex and requires even more shopping. Shopping for food for my wife and I is enough of a hassle, we don't need to shop for the dog as well.

I won't do raw as I said above, it's too much hassle for me for one, and my dog will not eat raw meat and I am glad. Less chance of having her contract any bugs from the raw.

Proud Marine Dad (Got the BAN STICK)

Freezing will not kill E-Coli or Salmonella.

titan1

Your Right- I am a kitchen manager freezing does not kill all. Also not to step on toes but pimp said he feeds roadkill - do you now how dangerous that is (hope you joke)

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