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Old 11-15-2009, 01:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Cool Raw diet

Ok, I was at this other forum and a treat caught my attention. It was a recipe for raw diet. I am a bit confused. I have researched and found some other info and recopies. They say that one of the ingredients is chicken bones. I thought chicken bones were bad for dogs.

I am very interested in making my own dog food. Can you guys help? I can use a recipe and the process. In this other forum, most of the members who reply to my post are dam a$$ wholes.

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First let me state that this diet is not intended to represent a "premium" RAW diet, but a low budget raw diet for larger kennel situations trying to keep their costs down. The big claim that larger kennel operations cite as a reason for not feeding raw is "cost" and "convenience."

Well, feeding raw is always going to be a bit more inconvenient than feeding kibble, but I have made this formula as convenient as I can (you can get everything at WalMart), and as cost-effective as I can (it costs less per-lb than the shit of shit-kibble Ol' Roy). At my local WalMart, Ol' Roy is now $20.88 for 40 lb (which is $0.52/lb), and the following raw diet I am listing can be put together for only $0.50/lb. Here are the items:



Food Item.............................Cost Per Meal

Raw Chicken Quarters (8 oz)..............$0.290
1 Cup White Rice (8 oz)......................$0.087
Whole Egg (2 oz)................................$0.121
Plain Yogurt (1.2 oz)...........................$0.079
1 Tsp Lard (1/6th oz)..........................$0.013
Vitamin Pill (0 oz)............................$0.014

19.2 oz meal........................................ $0.60 = Total Cost


* WalMart offers 10-lb bags of chicken quarters for $5.78, which pans-out to be only about $0.58/lb.
* You can get 20 lb of Matma white rice for $13.12 at WalMart also. Keep in mind that 1/3 cup of rice grains makes a full cup of cooked rice (after you add 2/3-cup of water and heat it). There are 50.5 cups of rice grains in the 20-lb sack, which after adding water make 151.5 cups of rice for $13.12, making each cup of rice cost only $0.087 (just under nine cents a cup).
* You can also get a carton of 60 (5-dozen) eggs for $7.24 (which comes to $0.97/lb), and each egg weighs about 2 oz (or about 12.1 cents per egg).
* You can buy a quart of "Great Value" plain yogurt for about $1.57 each (which is about $0.79/lb), and it has been my experience that you can scoop out about 20 heaping tablespoons per container, which is about 7.9 cents per serving.
* You can also get a bottle of 300 Equate Multi-Vitamin pills for $8.42. Since a little dog doesn’t need the full horse pill, you can cut each vitamin in half, which means you get 600 multi-vitamins for just over eight bucks (or $0.014/pill). The best way to feed the half-vitamin pill is to stuff it in a teaspoon of lard.
* You can get a 4-lb tub of Armour Lard for $4.82, and since 4 lb = 64 oz, and since 1 tsp = 1/6th of an ounce, this means you get 384 teaspoon servings for less than five bucks, or $0.013 per serving (just over one cent).

This means the above meal would cost 29 cents + 8.7 cents + 12.1 cents + 7.9 cents + 1.3 cents + 1.4 cents which would equal a total cost of 60.4 cents for 19.2 oz of feed, which translates to just over $0.030/ounce—or just over $0.50/lb—and it’s still a better meal compared to just about any commercial kibble.


That’s right, you can shop at WalMart and feed your dogs a low budget raw diet for less than what it costs to feed Ol’ Roy, the lousiest feed on the market, and yet it is better for your dogs than virtually any high-end kibble. You don't need to go to butchers, slaughterhouses, or any other inconvenient spot for many folks ... you can get all of these things right at WalMart.

Just purchase a crock pot for the rice (also at WalMart), in a size commensurate with the number of dogs you have (1 cup of rice per dog), and you will be saving money AND feeding your dogs better. There is simply no excuse to feed kibble anymore with today's prices.

Yes, there are raw diets better than this; again, my point was to provide a LOW BUDGET ("anyone can get it") raw diet for kennel situations.

All you need is a meat cleaver, the crock pot, and a cutting board. Lay the number of eggs, vitamins, chicken pieces out there ... and stack a buncha bowls ... and you can feed a yard of dogs better than any kibble ... for LESS MONEY than any kibble.

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This might be best in the general health forum you might get more replies. I have tried raw and made one of my dogs really sick. So I am not the best to ask (since you mentioned this in a pm) but are you feeding Blue and Chi Chi raw? I would not recommend feeding puppies raw till at least 7-8 months. Shana has a lot of good info on raw too.
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No, I just gave chi chi a few little pieces of chik with her noon and evening meals.
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I really don't want to move any unrelated topics anymore so please post these types of threads in the appropriate section. I will be bouncing this over to the health and nutrition section. Feel free to PM me if you want about the raw diet, or if you would like me to post it openly respond to this thread.
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yea you can use a whole chicken if you wish. Its just COOKED chicken with bones that stand a problem with the dogs. I am trying to learn more about the fish not...cant tell you much about them. Cow would be good to for the dogs I would think. Shana gave me a sort of crash corse on how to make the stuff...it was gross....and took alot of time. Though, it was fun I must say. I would like to do it again

The chicken part I have been told its ok. So long as it is not cooked.
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I cant vouch for the recipe but a raw diet in general is great in my eyes. I have yet to have any problems with my dog ( crosses fingers ) and performanceknls is the first I heard. I do recommend it to certain customers ( keep in ind Im supposed to sell dog food at a pet shop ) that have dogs with certain allergies or other issues like failing kidneys,..etc,.. etc and need nutrients like proteins monitored. It is a good choice in my eyes if you get it down right and make sure its prepped properly. Also, just like as if we were going on a diet and we were to monitor our carb and calorie intake and so forth we can do so to the T with a raw diet. Thats pretty cool if you ask me, you need not worry about brands selling you garbage food like SD that say they have quality ingredients and dont.


I also have a Ferret with a insolinoma ( tumor in the Pancreas ) and in just about every case known it more than likely has to do with poor diets that are processed into kibble ( 30% of domestic Ferrets have this tumor!!!!! ). That scares me from time to time. With that said I got used to making raw for him cause everything else made him sick and gave him runny stool after we diagnosed his problem.

For my pup I rotate TOTW kibble and Raw. Every other raw feeding I replace what I feed with Natures Variety raw Rabbit patties.

And from everything that I gather online Chicken bones are bad when cooked.

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SEO I would be more than happy to help you with the raw diet, and I can tell you exactly where that entire quote came from. That entire "article" you copied and pasted is actually copywrited because it is word for word.

I really don't want to move any unrelated topics anymore so please post these types of threads in the appropriate section. I will be bouncing this over to the health and nutrition section. Feel free to PM me if you want about the raw diet, or if you would like me to post it openly respond to this thread.
It's up to you if you want to post it. Other people might be interested, so I say, !Post It!

For sure, I will PM you whenever I see you on line.
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Raw Chicken Quarters (8 oz)..............$0.290
1 Cup White Rice (8 oz)......................$0.087
Whole Egg (2 oz)................................$0.121
Plain Yogurt (1.2 oz)...........................$0.079
1 Tsp Lard (1/6th oz)..........................$0.013
Vitamin Pill (0 oz)............................$0.014

The recipe above is for an approximately 45-50 pound dog for 1 day.

This is the basis of my meal menu, but I had to fenangle some things to get the results I needed for my dogs.... this recipe was close, but not enough for my dogs.

Also, it's recommended to switch from muscle meat (chicken quarters) to organ meat about 2 days out of the week. (don't worry, you'll no longer be on kibble anymore, and these changes in diet are not going to give digestive problems such as vomiting or loose stools!)

I did the whole chicken quarters for a while, but noticed bone flecks in their stool even though the chicken was raw... As an alternative for the calcium... I bought Bone Meal.
Bone Meal Powder 16 oz, NOW Foods
Now, I debone the chicken and add a table spoon of the bone meal. Also I found that I needed a littttle bit more than the quarter for the dogs so i added about a half of another chicken quarter to each dog.

You'll also benefit with the coat to add Fish Oil... I buy the capsules from walmart, but you can order it in bulk with a pump if you wish. Lisa swears by Wheat Germ Oil vs. Flaxseed Oil, I don't remember what the reason behind it was to be honest with ya. (sorry girl!).... I give 2 fish oil tablets and 1 flaxseed...

In about a month you'll see your dogs coat be as shiney as a freaking mirror!

I give an egg and slice of cheese once a week. A slice of beat once a month.

Every other day i add a splash of apple Cidar vinegar to keep bugs away from em.

I also recommend a veggie source to add to your half of multivitamin. You'll need to purade vegtables so that your dogs body can actually use them. During the purade process it breaks down the cell walls so they're absorbed by your dogs body. If you don't do that, the vegtables are pointless.

I also add a table spoon of plain yogurt to help with digestion..

If your dog happens to have loose stools while making the switch to raw, add more rice and another scoup of yogurt to the meals.

I think this about covers it...
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Wheezie have you noticed any bone flecks? I'm curious to know that... if the necks and backs aren't passing bone then I'd consider trying to hunt some of those down.

You also brought up a good point... not only will it not give your dogs loose stools to eat different parts of an animal it will no longer be fazed with any whole protein source if you desire... so you can switch between different types of animals for food. It won't upset their tummies either. Beef has a higher fat source so be careful not to add too much weight by sticking to a beef diet. A fish protien source is also a wonderful meal, but shouldn't be relied on as a permanent every day diet. It will strip weight off the dog and eventually your dog will lose muscle if left too long. (I made that mistake with my allergy ridden dog. She's allergic to all other protien sources and was limited to fish only. She's on satin balls right now along with antihistamines and antibiotics to keep her health under control.... everything in satin balls is an allergen for her).

In a nut shell... I use chicken as my main source of protein for my average dogs, every once in a while i'll throw them something special. Exept for the one with allergies lmao.

An awesome thing about the Raw diet is that its YOURS to customize (wisely). Allergy ridden dogs are limited to one protein source. In a matter of a few week long trials you will find which ingredient is your dogs "trigger"
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Wheezie have you noticed any bone flecks? I'm curious to know that... if the necks and backs aren't passing bone then I'd consider trying to hunt some of those down.

You also brought up a good point... not only will it not give your dogs loose stools to eat different parts of an animal it will no longer be fazed with any whole protein source if you desire... so you can switch between different types of animals for food. It won't upset their tummies either. Beef has a higher fat source so be careful not to add too much weight by sticking to a beef diet. A fish protien source is also a wonderful meal, but shouldn't be relied on as a permanent every day diet. It will strip weight off the dog and eventually your dog will lose muscle if left too long. (I made that mistake with my allergy ridden dog. She's allergic to all other protien sources and was limited to fish only. She's on satin balls right now along with antihistamines and antibiotics to keep her health under control.... everything in satin balls is an allergen for her).

In a nut shell... I use chicken as my main source of protein for my average dogs, every once in a while i'll throw them something special. Exept for the one with allergies lmao.

An awesome thing about the Raw diet is that its YOURS to customize (wisely). Allergy ridden dogs are limited to one protein source. In a matter of a few week long trials you will find which ingredient is your dogs "trigger"
I have used entire Rabbit ( cleaned of course by the butcher ) quail and duck and none of those shown any signs of bone flecks in the stool.

I also agree with the beef comment. I stay away from it and tell people to do the same. Some people develop a bias against raw by thinking its just ground beef and rice which is not a good raw diet or a good example of one either.
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bone flecks? are you talking about visible pieces of bone in there poop? id so the anser is no, i wouldnt feed only chicken necks though, there is not enough meat alone. chicken backs are GREAT. and i get 40lbs for 12 bucks
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