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Old 07-31-2010, 03:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Probably Going To Go Back To Kibble

I am probably going to go back to kibble because balls hasn't been pooping that great, all over the yard are some black and hard tar looking poops everywhere and smell god awful like meat. I thought it was supposed to eliminate odor =/. Also, when I feed him, I don't know how to teach him not to gulp down chunks of meat that I give him, he just swallows without chewing, and when I give him bones, he bearly chews on them and he swallows them, and when he poops, pieces of the bones are still in his poop, I also saw a little red on there, it might be because the bone poked his anus while it was coming out. I don't know what I should do, also when I take him outside, he starts eating my poodles kibble O_o...just after I fed him his meat....he is about to be 4 months and weighs a good 40-50 pounds...any suggestions?
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The transition can cause some narly poops stick with it you will be happy you did

Switching to a Raw Diet
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So now you are ready to begin. Start off slow. The biggest mistake most "newbies" make is to add too much variety too soon! The result? A very rough transition that involves lots of midnight trips outside. So, start slowly. Pick one protein source and feed that for about a week (or more—it depends on your dog!). Many people start with chicken because it is an easily digestible protein source that is relatively inexpensive and is easy to get. But if you want to start with something different, like pork or beef, then by all means do so. Make sure to pick a raw meaty bone that is suitable for your dog. If you have a Chihuahua, try a chicken thigh. If you have a Golden Retriever, try a chicken quarter. And always feed it raw and whole—none of this 'feed ground' business! One of the main points of a raw diet is to give your dog a much-needed dental workout that cleans its teeth, prepares its digestive system for the incoming food, and satisfies the dog both mentally and physically.
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
 

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Nice! and thank you! No wonder! I keep feeding him different meats, What meat should I stick to? Chicken?, I probably will stick to it for about a week, I need to go shop for more though because I ran out just today, If there is any other meat you think is better then chicken that I can buy at a market, let me know!
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nice! and thank you! No wonder! I keep feeding him different meats, What meat should I stick to? Chicken?, I probably will stick to it for about a week, I need to go shop for more though because I ran out just today, If there is any other meat you think is better then chicken that I can buy at a market, let me know!
If he is having loose stools I would go with chicken backs for a week they have high bone content that will help firm up his stools.
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I would do this, fast him today no food at all then start over and this is how I did it and it works great!

Weeks 1 and 2
Fasting your dog one day before giving them anything raw is highly recommended, followed by a small meal of raw the first day is best. If switching a puppy to raw, it is not necessary to fast them a whole day since this is not good for them. I would recommend giving the puppy at least 6-12 hours between their last kibble meal and their first raw meal to keep the mixing of the two down to a minimum. Too much raw food all at once can be more detrimental than good. You will want to feed nothing but one protein source during this time. The most recommended thing to go with is bone in chicken parts, because chicken cheap, easy to find and easy for a dog to digest at first. I recommend feeding chicken backs for the first 2-3 days. Chicken backs are higher in bone content which the higher the bone content the firmer the stools will be because bone is a constipating agent, too much bone can cause problems but shouldn’t be an issue in the beginning. After the 3rd day I would add in chicken quarters alternating with backs, every other meal. Chicken leg quarters have a bit more meat to them, and less bone. You don’t want your dog to become constipated on nothing but chicken backs. Continue with alternating chicken backs and quarters until you have noticed consistent firm stools for at least 7 days in a row.


Hopefully at this point you haven’t seen any digestive upset! But if you have…DON’T PANIC! Dogs that have been on kibble for a long time generally have the hardest time with the switch because their bodies are not used to such a new food. Sometimes dogs go through something that some call the “detox” stage, but to me its more just a transition that the body must undergo from digesting overly processed, species inappropriate foods to whole, fresh, raw foods. During this time, digestive enzymes must change to be able to digest this new diet, and sometimes this can take up to a few weeks. Loose stool, and occasional vomiting is seen during this time, but these usually clear up within a day or so. If not, taking your dog to the vet is a good idea.
Seeing pieces of bone in stool is normal in the beginning, you will see less and less of this as time goes on. The body is in its adjustment phase and is still getting used to breaking down bones. Digestive enzymes are changing and their ability to break down bone becomes more and more affective as time goes on. Don’t panic if you see pieces of bone in your dog’s stool. Trust me, its normal.

This “detox” stage is the reason why weeks 1 and 2 are exclusively one protein source. It poses the easiest route for the body to become adjusted to a 180 degree change in diet. If you were to undergo the same change, going from mostly processed foods to fresh, whole raw foods, your body would not be the happiest in the beginning. In the long term your body would thank you immensely for the added health! Keep up the good work and stay strong. Make sure the connections you have made with your support team are there for you all along the way.

Weeks 3 and 4
At this point your dog should be doing awesome. You will even be able to notice a change in young healthy animals even. Coats looking softer and shinier. Teeth are looking bright white and clean, no more tartar, plaque or bad breath. Digestion is under control, those of you with constant diarrhea are at ease. What to do now?

Well, at this point you have probably become very excited and immersed yourself in the “raw world” looking for any possible connection for meat and what you can get your hands on. Well, keep up the research but tread lightly. While this far you have seen nothing but improvement, you can easily overdo things too early and end back up on square one. So you must be patient with adding in new things.

I recommend adding in something like turkey next. Turkey necks or wings would work great for this. Add in turkey alternating with chicken every other meal. If you don’t notice any problems with this addition, keep up with alternating one and then the other. If you have noticed a bit of looser stool, you can add in one turkey meal to every two chicken meals until you notice things are back to normal and then try and add more turkey back in. I would keep up with just chicken and turkey for at least a week of normal stools before adding in the next protein source.

The next protein source I recommend is pork or fish, either one. A lot of dogs will not eat raw fish, so you can give canned fish instead. Canned salmon, tuna, sardines or mackerel work well, but they are expensive if you have a lot of dogs to feed (canned tuna is not bone in, the rest should be). If going with pork, I would add in pork ribs or neck bones in. Add either fish or pork in the same way you did with turkey, alternating it every other meal with chicken and turkey. For example, morning meal would be chicken, evening meal is fish, then the next day the morning meal is turkey. Continue this until you notice normal stool for a week on this type of feeding schedule. Again, if you notice loose stool, go in a bit lighter on the new protein source, until you can get it in every 3rd meal without a hitch.

As you can see, there is a trend of adding in just bone in meats in this transition. Remember that bone adds bulk to their stool, keeping them nice and firm. Monitoring bowel movements is a great way to see how a dog’s body is working and responding to the food that you are giving it. So by the end of this transition you will become a poo expert!

Weeks 5 and 6
Alright, well if you added in fish last time, add in pork and vise versa. Add them in the same techniques used before during the first couple of weeks.
Week 6 I would add in beef, which is most likely not going to be bone in. Most bone in beef sources are not okay for dogs to eat because the bones are just way too dense for their teeth to crunch through. The only bone in beef source that we feed to our dogs is beef ribs, and its more of a treat and recreational chewing than a meal.

Finding beef at a reasonable cost that isn’t ground can be a tough thing. Beef heart is what we tend to feed on a regular basis because it is considered muscle meat nutritionally, but it is very rich and its affordable. Adding beef heart is a bit trickier than anything else up to this point. Not only does it not have any bone to add bulk to stool, but its super rich. I recommend giving half the amount in weight of beef heart than you normally give. In this case, less can be better. Once your dog gets used to something so rich you can add in more.

Most likely you will see some loose stool. You can feed chicken backs a meal before and after for the added bone or in conjunction with the beef heart. Then the next day just do chicken and turkey. Feed your rotation of chicken, turkey, fish, pork and beef until you see a weeks worth of normal stool.

Weeks 7 and 8
Woohoo! You’ve made it this far, don’t stop now! Unfortunately this can be the hardest part of the whole process. This is the time when you add in organ meats. Lots of dogs refuse to eat organ meat. You might find yourself having to do a bit of prep work to the organs just to get your dog to eat them. This could mean doing a light sear with some spices or feeding it to them frozen, or the tried and true method that we use of just shoving it down their throats! Organs are an essential part of the prey model raw diet. They need them so you have to find a way to get your dogs to eat them, whatever that might be. Don’t cook them all the way through because most of the nutrition is lost during the cooking process. If you do a light sear, you want to go even lighter with each time you do this until your dogs will eat it basically raw, if not 100% raw.

Unlike before this addition is just a once a week thing. The amount you will feed will be similar to what you did with beef heart because organs are very, very rich and will cause loose stool with almost every dog out there. You can feed organs with chicken backs to help alleviate digestive upset. Each new week you feed your organ meal, feed just a bit more until you can add in a full meal of organ meat or the equivalent spread over a few days. We feed organs only once and not spread out because our dogs don’t like organs. Some people feed just a little bit of organ each day with each meal, this is fine too just as long as you keep the 1:1:8 ratio of organ, bone to meat ratio in the back of your mind.

The easiest way for me to calculate the right amount of organ meals to feed so you don’t feed to much is to count how many meals you feed per week. Lets say you feed morning and night, which is what most people do. That is a total of 14 meals per week. If you are only supposed to be feeding ~10% organs that means that only 1.5 meals should consist of organ. That can be an exclusive organ meal or spread out throughout the week. Just make sure that you are getting enough organs in. They are essential to optimum health.
Continued Success

So, you have you done it. You are a poo expert and dog nutrition enthusiast. Where do you go from here?
Keep adding in protein sources that you come across. You have the tools and knowledge to know what you are doing and the support team to ask questions if you are not 100% sure about something. The more variety the better.
You know that if you see loose stool, to add more bone or powdery stool feed less bone.

You know about this point that a bit of diarrhea is nothing to sweat, its normal.
Spread the word. Become someone that is an advocate for this lifestyle. Change the world and how our animals are treated. Its a rewarding thing! We started off beginners and now writing our own website to help others. See what you can do!
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
 

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Thank you very much! I will be trying this later on, and also Deb AKA Geisthexe recommended me not to feed pork.
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thank you very much! I will be trying this later on, and also Deb AKA Geisthexe recommended me not to feed pork.
hmm not sure on the pork but I never feed it I stick to chicken, beef, rabbit bison
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Old 07-31-2010, 08:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
 

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I will be feeding him pure chicken then until he gets used to it, then I will vary it.
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