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Old 10-28-2012, 03:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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BNB, I actually love Origen, ZiWi Peak, & Acana. A kibble w/o grain is so much better for dogs then one with grain.
Now depending on the animal some do need grain like Oatmeal, Rice is a good binder when needed like for dogs that continue to have loose stool. Wheat not good for dogs, humans & especially cats.
Some folks find it difficult to feed a RAW diet and thats fine. NOT for everyone. So if they can afford a kibble of that nature and expense then they are on the right path.
I appreciate your insight on this topic as I was feeding a straight PMR diet to my girl after battling allergies, skin and yeast infections for over a year. I went from feeding Acana to a home cooked diet which I researched heavily to make sure I did it right and it helped tremendously. She improved a lot but was still having some issues so that is when I researched PMR and followed this How to Get Started | Prey Model Raw once again things improved but after 5 months of eating it I decided I wasn't very happy with the results and she seemed to vomit to often. Her diet consisted of chicken quarters, turkey necks, gizzards, hearts, beef heart, liver, lung, pork, beef, and sardines. I recently just put her on Origen red meat and she is doing EXCELLENT! I am going to slowly start introducing some raw into the mix again so I'm glad to hear that combining kibble and raw works fine together afterall. I was always told it doesn't because it digests differently .....raw being faster than kibble. I have known many who feed it together though with no issues.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:40 PM   #17 (permalink)
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PMR has been known for stach issues & pancreas problems ..
When you go back to mixing both .. Make sure add more ruffage to diet .. Collards & Spinach do good with a mix K & R diet
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Well let me state this just bc one of your dogs could not digest and there tummy hurt does not mean it can not work. I have been giving people advice about a RAW, RAW/Kibble, Kibble diet for more then 10 yrs. And it is not going to hurt to give both together. I am happy you SHARED your experience of it but again it doesnt mean it doesnt work.


I did not COMPARE, I was giving an example. So in your opinion all the nutrition classes I have taken (unlike YOU) are incorrect. The VET at MSU must loose her job b/c she is INCORRECT due to USING that exact same example I used. All I was doing is showing that the human body digest food differently but we still eat them together. Some folks can not eat things b/c of IBS so in return YOUR dog can not eat KIBBLE / RAW together.


THAT is GREAT you have done your research and are feeding a proper diet to your dogs. A carnivore diet can cause Pancreatic disease. Dogs unlike Cats need ruffage in there diet AS humans do.


I am not arguing what you posted yes they should go out and find other research and make there own judgement on who is correct. I am ONLY on here to give my advice and my knowledge of .....
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Just to give you a background on me unlike others on here who have lied about there education ... I give NO names and not talking about you ....
I am a certified dog trainer, I have trained under many famous trainer and moved around the US to do so...
I am a certified veterinary technician .... also in my travel I have worked for many vets from bone surgeon,dermatologist, general practice, now emergency.
I am a certified animal massage therapist & human ... went and studies the body more in depth to be able to help animal after major surgery when I worked for the bone surgeon
I am a studied animal nutritionist as I have taken many courses throughout my vet tech career to be able to help others with there pets inside the hospital to outside it.

NOW I am not telling you this to make you think I am saying I am better then you its not my thinking. I am saying it bc I to offense to your pathetic thought that I was comparing dogs to humans and putting down vets I have taken classes from ...

But again YOUR OPINION!!!

I meant nothing as disrespectful so please don't think I was meaning that way. I know by reading your posts you are filled with great knowledge I was trying to clarify everything I post is my opinion only not to misconstrued with truth. As i know plenty that feed raw and kibble together and has no affect on their dogs. The statement about humans and dogs eating was not one to be taken offence to I just meant it that people without your knowledge might think that oh well they can eat what we eat. Not saying you implied that I am just saying someone just reading and not comprehending it as an analogy could take that the wrong way. So again nothing was to be disrespectful or cause a fuss I personally am still learning nutrition of these dogs.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:24 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I meant nothing as disrespectful so please don't think I was meaning that way. I know by reading your posts you are filled with great knowledge I was trying to clarify everything I post is my opinion only not to misconstrued with truth. As i know plenty that feed raw and kibble together and has no affect on their dogs. The statement about humans and dogs eating was not one to be taken offence to I just meant it that people without your knowledge might think that oh well they can eat what we eat. Not saying you implied that I am just saying someone just reading and not comprehending it as an analogy could take that the wrong way. So again nothing was to be disrespectful or cause a fuss I personally am still learning nutrition of these dogs.
Thank you for you reply MSK I really appreciate it ..
I hope many of my post to come will help you and many others
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:30 PM   #20 (permalink)
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PMR has been known for stach issues & pancreas problems ..
When you go back to mixing both .. Make sure add more ruffage to diet .. Collards & Spinach do good with a mix K & R diet
Thanks! Will do! Shall I puree' the spinach and collards? What percent should I add? Should I feed either one or both into the mix? Sorry for all the questions LOL! Just want a better idea of how to prepare it
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:01 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Thanks! Will do! Shall I puree' the spinach and collards?
You can if the dog will not eat them .. If its easier as well (if wont eat) make this mix
- 2 cups kibble soften in water
- 2 tbsp olive oil
- purée greens
Mix together all the items and put into frig




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What percent should I add?
I say start out with a 1/2 cup and see how the dog(s) do
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Ok in aus I can get eknubba royal canine lucky dod advanced super coat and there's the no name brand
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Ok in aus I can get eknubba royal canine lucky dod advanced super coat and there's the no name brand
Ok well not much choice .. Then if your pup is doing ok on the food keep them on it and do the raw mix with it
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