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Kwhitaker0604 09-15-2012 03:08 AM

Question about raw feeding?
 
I'm currently in the process of switching Hiro to prey model raw and she's doing awesome! No loose stool or vomiting or anything! My question is, I got some turkey neck pieces and some are pretty big. I usually do two feedings a day, but these necks are pretty much her entire daily portion. Can I feed her once a day on some days? Or do I need to keep it as consistent as possible?


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geisthexe 09-15-2012 08:00 PM

I truly hope you are or have seriously done your homework on a RAW diet.
But to answer your question yes you can have days where you feed once daily.



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Kwhitaker0604 09-15-2012 10:39 PM

I have been researching PMR for pretty much a year, and finally decided to switch. I was just asking since she's only been on it for a little over two weeks so I don't want to upset her stomach or anything. I'd rather be safe than sorry.


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geisthexe 09-15-2012 11:13 PM

Be careful on that diet bc dogs are NOT carnivores they are Armnivores so they need fiber / vegetation. Many dogs that go on a only meat / protein diet end up with stomach issues, pancreas, and liver damage do to not being fed a proper balanced diet.

Best of luck


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Annabelle 10-27-2012 08:15 AM

Geish, I'm feeding raw as well but I just want to give my dog the best I can so should I do just all raw, raw and kibble, or just kibble?

MSK 10-27-2012 05:30 PM

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It is you preference but, it is best not to feed it together as they digest differently. Some dogs can handle it others can't. There are some people that feed Raw of the morning and Kibble in the evening, I used to feed 3 days raw fast a day then 3 days kibble and fast another day and repeat the process, then others say all or nothing. Its all yours and your dogs personal preference. You just have to see what works for you and your dog. Some will say dogs are Carnivores some say they are Omnivores and need vegetation just depends on who you talk to that is why research is key and base off mass information not just one prerogative. There are certain types of vegetation that help go to You Tube and look up CAJackno1 on his channel he explains about his style of raw diets. It includes fruits and veggies if thats what you want to do. His opinion makes sense as the dogs would get vegetation from the stomach of the animals they kill in the wild.

geisthexe 10-27-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Annabelle (Post 544443)
Geish, I'm feeding raw as well but I just want to give my dog the best I can so should I do just all raw, raw and kibble, or just kibble?

Hun the Best is a RAW Diet, some feel the need to feed Raw kibble mix and ITS PERFECTLY FINE TO FEED TOGETHER.. It's a crock of bull about the digestion process. If it was the case humans would not eat a burger with potatoe chips ..
When feeding KIBBLE you should always add water to start the hydration process and help to keep from bloat.

I personally feed a solid Raw Diet but my short time after I moved to NM I had to feed kibble. I made sure water was added so I didn't have problems with my dogs. Now back on Raw we have a better and easier diet.

What are you mixing into your Raw Diet now?

geisthexe 10-27-2012 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MSK (Post 544460)
It is you preference but, it is best not to feed it together as they digest differently. Some dogs can handle it others can't. There are some people that feed Raw of the morning and Kibble in the evening, I used to feed 3 days raw fast a day then 3 days kibble and fast another day and repeat the process, then others say all or nothing. Its all yours and your dogs personal preference. You just have to see what works for you and your dog. Some will say dogs are Carnivores some say they are Omnivores and need vegetation just depends on who you talk to that is why research is key and base off mass information not just one prerogative. There are certain types of vegetation that help go to You Tube and look up CAJackno1 on his channel he explains about his style of raw diets. It includes fruits and veggies if thats what you want to do. His opinion makes sense as the dogs would get vegetation from the stomach of the animals they kill in the wild.

If you read many of my post on here I talk about a proper Raw Diet.
Canine family are not Carnivores .. It's been proven thru the study of watching wolves, bear, raccoon and domestic dog from habits in the wild to health studies
And to let you know you can mix raw and kibble together with the system having no issues with digesting at different processing times .. Our bodies do this naturally bc we digest fruits at a fast rate then grain / digest vegetation at a faster rate then meats as proteins take a much longer time to process.

Just food for thought

EckoMac 10-27-2012 08:17 PM

To the OP. According to my research, the answer would be no, not yet. You would want to wait until you are completely transitioned before trying to change her feeding schedule. Cut the necks in half if you are transitioning to turkey. Slow and steady wins the race when it comes to PMR and the transition.

MSK 10-27-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by geisthexe (Post 544469)
If you read many of my post on here I talk about a proper Raw Diet.
Canine family are not Carnivores .. It's been proven thru the study of watching wolves, bear, raccoon and domestic dog from habits in the wild to health studies
And to let you know you can mix raw and kibble together with the system having no issues with digesting at different processing times .. Our bodies do this naturally bc we digest fruits at a fast rate then grain / digest vegetation at a faster rate then meats as proteins take a much longer time to process.

Just food for thought



I only say it is not best from my experience it gives my dogs belly aches so from my own opinion it is not best to mix raw and kibble just because of my past experience with it being hard on their stomachs. Comparing a dogs eating habits to ours in my opinion is kind of silly as they cannot digest everything we can digest. I believe they are omnivores as I feed predigested(blended with blender) vegetables with the raw I feed. I was stating to the poster that they will see this all over the same argument carnivore and omnivore its all their own choice what they will feed. They need to research many sources so they have more then one view to make that choice for there dog. Just because one persons view is working for their own dog doesn't mean it will work for the next.

Blue_Nose_Bella 10-27-2012 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by geisthexe (Post 538845)
Be careful on that diet bc dogs are NOT carnivores they are Armnivores so they need fiber / vegetation. Many dogs that go on a only meat / protein diet end up with stomach issues, pancreas, and liver damage do to not being fed a proper balanced diet.

Best of luck


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Deb, how do you feel about grain free kibble then? Something like Orijen? Just curious....

Annabelle 10-27-2012 11:48 PM

Geish I'm feeding chicken necks and eknubba in morning then liver and eknubba at night here in aus my vet said eknubba is really good for her am I doing it right because I want her to be really healthy and fit

geisthexe 10-28-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MSK (Post 544506)
I only say it is not best from my experience it gives my dogs belly aches so from my own opinion it is not best to mix raw and kibble just because of my past experience with it being hard on their stomachs.

Well let me state this just bc one of your dogs could not digest and there tummy hurt does not mean it can not work. I have been giving people advice about a RAW, RAW/Kibble, Kibble diet for more then 10 yrs. And it is not going to hurt to give both together. I am happy you SHARED your experience of it but again it doesnt mean it doesnt work.

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Originally Posted by MSK (Post 544506)
Comparing a dogs eating habits to ours in my opinion is kind of silly as they cannot digest everything we can digest.

I did not COMPARE, I was giving an example. So in your opinion all the nutrition classes I have taken (unlike YOU) are incorrect. The VET at MSU must loose her job b/c she is INCORRECT due to USING that exact same example I used. All I was doing is showing that the human body digest food differently but we still eat them together. Some folks can not eat things b/c of IBS so in return YOUR dog can not eat KIBBLE / RAW together.

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Originally Posted by MSK (Post 544506)
I believe they are omnivores as I feed predigested(blended with blender) vegetables with the raw I feed.

THAT is GREAT you have done your research and are feeding a proper diet to your dogs. A carnivore diet can cause Pancreatic disease. Dogs unlike Cats need ruffage in there diet AS humans do.

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Originally Posted by MSK (Post 544506)
I was stating to the poster that they will see this all over the same argument carnivore and omnivore its all their own choice what they will feed. They need to research many sources so they have more then one view to make that choice for there dog. Just because one persons view is working for their own dog doesn't mean it will work for the next.

I am not arguing what you posted yes they should go out and find other research and make there own judgement on who is correct. I am ONLY on here to give my advice and my knowledge of .....
TRAINING
TRIALING
NUTRITION
HEALTH

Just to give you a background on me unlike others on here who have lied about there education ... I give NO names and not talking about you ....
I am a certified dog trainer, I have trained under many famous trainer and moved around the US to do so...
I am a certified veterinary technician .... also in my travel I have worked for many vets from bone surgeon,dermatologist, general practice, now emergency.
I am a certified animal massage therapist & human ... went and studies the body more in depth to be able to help animal after major surgery when I worked for the bone surgeon
I am a studied animal nutritionist as I have taken many courses throughout my vet tech career to be able to help others with there pets inside the hospital to outside it.

NOW I am not telling you this to make you think I am saying I am better then you its not my thinking. I am saying it bc I to offense to your pathetic thought that I was comparing dogs to humans and putting down vets I have taken classes from ...

But again YOUR OPINION!!!

geisthexe 10-28-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue_Nose_Bella (Post 544510)
Deb, how do you feel about grain free kibble then? Something like Orijen? Just curious....

BNB, I actually love Origen, ZiWi Peak, & Acana. A kibble w/o grain is so much better for dogs then one with grain.
Now depending on the animal some do need grain like Oatmeal, Rice is a good binder when needed like for dogs that continue to have loose stool. Wheat not good for dogs, humans & especially cats.
Some folks find it difficult to feed a RAW diet and thats fine. NOT for everyone. So if they can afford a kibble of that nature and expense then they are on the right path.

geisthexe 10-28-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Annabelle (Post 544511)
Geish I'm feeding chicken necks and eknubba in morning then liver and eknubba at night here in aus my vet said eknubba is really good for her am I doing it right because I want her to be really healthy and fit

Ok first off let me explain something about Eukanuba, IAMs, Science Diet, Royal Canine, Purina Medical diets....... ALL are CRAP .. VETS are given kick back for selling the stuff in there hospitals. if you read the package it has grains, by products and so much preservatives in it that you are not doing good.

So in AUS, what kibbles are you able to get?

Chicken necks & kibble is fine but remember you are not really feeding a RAW diet when it is ONLY chicken. Feeding a RAW diet consist of more then just a raw piece of meat.

Not trying to be mean so please do not take it that way .. I am just explaining so lets make a better diet for your baby .... :)


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