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Old 06-17-2009, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dog Aggression /Dog avoidance training

I have a lot of people that are interested in competing in dogsports with their APBTs, and A.S.T.s, ask me about this. They want to know how it is possible to train my dogs to be around others, off leash, on a training field. Here are some of the things that I do.

I do not let my dogs play or socialize loose with other dogs as adults. As pups, a little, when young, but stop this before there are any confrontations. I do not go to dog parks, nor let my adults play together with toys loose in my yard. Maybe a famliar male -female, but don't allow play to get too competitive.

When doing training, I do not let my dog pay attention to other dogs. If they strat to show too much interest, I re-direct them to me with food or tug. I apply correction as needed, to get attention on me. I try to teach them to completely ignore the other dog. They are not allowed to sniff or interact with other dog at all in training situation/atmosphere.

I also teach a compulsion down. Down is down. As pups with food, they learn it. As adults there is force if they disobey it. It can be a safety net. For instance if you feel like there may be a confrontation, you say down, and it "may" avoid one. If I feel another dog is not under control or aggressive, I remove my dog from the situation. You do not want any problems, especially in a training setting.

I have been minding my own business, and other people let their dogs "bother" mine. I immediately pick my dog up in my arms, as high as I can, and tell them to control their dog. I quickly leave the area, put my dog up, and confront that person, and explain there mistake, if they are worth reasoning with. Some are not. This may look strange, but can stop a dog fight. If you reactions are quick. Most dogs will fight back when attacked, even friendly ones.

Another important thing. If your dog is play fighting in a social situation, and it gets serious, it will make your dog look for trouble next time. So that is why no playing with other dogs, after they are adults. They had fun as pups, and let them remember that.

Also, I have noticed after attending the APBT events where the dogs are allowed to"fire" up on each other in the ring, for extra looks from the judges, my dogs seem to show more aggression for awhile afterwords. So, if competing in a sport where dogs need more control(Sch, obed, agil), I suggest avoiding those shows.

My dogs do not need to get along and play with other dogs, but they do need to ignore them, and work for me. I realize that these methods may not work for an older dog, established in his ways. However, I have alot of people ask me what I do, and this works for me.

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Old 06-18-2009, 01:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Great post! this is what I do also, but you are much nicer than I am when a dog comes up to my dog like at a park (not a dog park). If someones off leash dog comes up to my leashed dog i will hit that dog on the nose with my leash or give them the boot. This is a great post because I get this questions all the time, how to keep APBT's civil in dog sports.
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This is a great post guys. I appreciate the tips you gave me. Ive been wondering how to teach Red to ignore distractions, but i couldnt figure it out... But Howard pretty much spelled it out for me. When doing training, I do not let my dog pay attention to other dogs. If they strat to show too much interest, I re-direct them to me with food or tug. I apply correction as needed, to get attention on me. I try to teach them to completely ignore the other dog. They are not allowed to sniff or interact with other dog at all in training situation/atmosphere. Thank you for the help but i also have one further question. What if my daog doesnt ignore the distraction, but rather ignore me and my treat or tug? how would i break him from thiat? he does seem to show obedience in ignoring but he most deffinatly does not have it down pact yet.
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This is a great post guys. I appreciate the tips you gave me. Ive been wondering how to teach Red to ignore distractions, but i couldnt figure it out... But Howard pretty much spelled it out for me. When doing training, I do not let my dog pay attention to other dogs. If they strat to show too much interest, I re-direct them to me with food or tug. I apply correction as needed, to get attention on me. I try to teach them to completely ignore the other dog. They are not allowed to sniff or interact with other dog at all in training situation/atmosphere. Thank you for the help but i also have one further question. What if my daog doesnt ignore the distraction, but rather ignore me and my treat or tug? how would i break him from thiat? he does seem to show obedience in ignoring but he most deffinatly does not have it down pact yet.
That is when the compulsion come in. You can use a slip chain, training collar or even a flat collar, with some dogs.....Just give them a firm correction on the lead. If necessary turn away for the other dog quickly and then reward your dog when they focus back on you. You may have to start with the other dog/distraction farther away, and then as the dog finally "gets it" move in closer.
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ok i will defianatly try this io appreciate it bro. and i will most definatly let you know how this works out for me.
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do they still have the same aggression even if there neutered??? or does it depend on the dog?
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oh, this is nice! great post!
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That is when the compulsion come in. You can use a slip chain, training collar or even a flat collar, with some dogs.....Just give them a firm correction on the lead. If necessary turn away for the other dog quickly and then reward your dog when they focus back on you. You may have to start with the other dog/distraction farther away, and then as the dog finally "gets it" move in closer.
so your pretty much telling me that i have to know my dog? know when he is aggrivated, playful, curious or whatever, i have to know by his actions, then react to them accordingly? I have noticd that hes doing a little better with the DA against the femal dogs that are his age or younger. but he still has DA against other Males... i know it has alot to do with the desire to be Alpha Male but he doesnt do it if the other male if fixed.
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hmmm. this is definatly something our pack should work on... how long before the whole ADD pup thing wears off and he actually has the ability to focus? he is lots better now as we are about to hit the 6 month mark but still- anything that moves is a new distraction even when doin training with treats.


i love the mental pic i got of somebody straight pickin their dog up to avoid a confrontation. i can imagine my 5'3" frame liftin lacey up just to look their dog down hahaha.
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hmmm. this is definatly something our pack should work on... how long before the whole ADD pup thing wears off and he actually has the ability to focus? he is lots better now as we are about to hit the 6 month mark but still- anything that moves is a new distraction even when doin training with treats.


i love the mental pic i got of somebody straight pickin their dog up to avoid a confrontation. i can imagine my 5'3" frame liftin lacey up just to look their dog down hahaha.
thats funny bkuz i had the same mental pic. if someone did that in front of me and my dog, i would find them a little wierd, but it totally made sence. if the dog shouldnt be around other dogs bkuz DA and he ignores commands from you, should you still pick him up? or could it create confrontation b\w the handler and the dog, such as being bitten?

Personally I have not seen Red bite anyone, or anything. But im worried if i startle him when he is more interested in something else, than he would rear up and catch me, when i wasnt expecting it.

I have had a previous dog that did exactly this. My 1\2 Australian Sheppard, 1\2 German Sheppard got loose from the backyard one day while me and my friends were out playing. she had dug a hole underneath our chain link fence in order to escape, so she could come out and play with us, i suppose. then one of our neighbors had thought she was running away and had the chance to catch her. when he reached down under her sternum to pick her up her reaction was to quickly jump at his face then bite him through his top lip, then rip away which left his lip shreaded... he was rushed to the doctor to get sticthes and the dog was rushed to the vet to get put to sleep. if it wasnt for the kid trying to pick her up, i know he was just trying to help, but it seemed to do the exact opposite, man was i angry? he was also that neighborhood bully so i guess he deserved what he had coming although the dog was just fending for itself in the time when she was terrified or not knowing what was going on.
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thats funny bkuz i had the same mental pic. if someone did that in front of me and my dog, i would find them a little wierd, but it totally made sence. if the dog shouldnt be around other dogs bkuz DA and he ignores commands from you, should you still pick him up? or could it create confrontation b\w the handler and the dog, such as being bitten?

Personally I have not seen Red bite anyone, or anything. But im worried if i startle him when he is more interested in something else, than he would rear up and catch me, when i wasnt expecting it.

I have had a previous dog that did exactly this. My 1\2 Australian Sheppard, 1\2 German Sheppard got loose from the backyard one day while me and my friends were out playing. she had dug a hole underneath our chain link fence in order to escape, so she could come out and play with us, i suppose. then one of our neighbors had thought she was running away and had the chance to catch her. when he reached down under her sternum to pick her up her reaction was to quickly jump at his face then bite him through his top lip, then rip away which left his lip shreaded... he was rushed to the doctor to get sticthes and the dog was rushed to the vet to get put to sleep. if it wasnt for the kid trying to pick her up, i know he was just trying to help, but it seemed to do the exact opposite, man was i angry? he was also that neighborhood bully so i guess he deserved what he had coming although the dog was just fending for itself in the time when she was terrified or not knowing what was going on.

Maaan... you gotta "Pit Bull"... with that being said, you should never be worried about him doing those kinds of things.

EDIT: The day I completely put my trust in my dog was... the day I had Neela going balistic at the neighbors dog through the fence...she even had a shock collar on her that was big enough to "stop a 150 pound dog" well.... mine is 45 pounds and it just made her twitch a little... I went over there and kicked her rear leg a little and she stopped for a second, looked at me like "you idiot can't you see that I'm busy?" and turned around and kept on trying to fence fight. Soooo I went in and grabbed her little butt and carried her back into the house.
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