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Old 10-25-2009, 09:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Question Schutzhund Books and Training technique

What's some good titles that I can read up on that concern mainly with puppy and preparation for getting your dog into Schutzhund. Either books or authors would be great!

Additionally, would it be better to have your dog professionally trained then keep them up by working with the dog or could you try training your dog yourself? Opinions?
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Because Sch is such a specific type of training, and precision plays a big part in it, I think you'd want to go with a pro. Sydney who has been scarce on here of late does that with her dog...
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Hello,
I few books I like are Susan Barwigs, Tom Rose, Helmut Raiser, and Ivan Balabanov, You can find them here at a good price.
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However, it is impossible to train Schutzhund by yourself. You need to find a trainer that has lots experience and has titled dogs in schutzhund. A schutzhund club is also a great thing, but hard to get into with a pit bull, unless you have already accomplished something. I don't even like to train anyone myself, until they have at least put out the effort to do something already.

Tracking and obedience can be done yourself, at home, after you have learned the basics from a club or trainer. I also have known people that have done all their own tracking and obedience and then were invited to join a club, after the club realized how dedicated they were.

I am sure I have posted on an earlier posts about how important and difficult it can be to find a club or good trainer for SchH. Honestly, when looking for a trainer, pick someone who has at least titled one dog from a pup to a schutzhund three. In my area, there are so many "professional" trainers that have never done anything. Just be wary.Aslo, try to find one that likes the bull breeds.
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I don't even like to train anyone myself, until they have at least put out the effort to do something already.

Tracking and obedience can be done yourself, at home, after you have learned the basics from a club or trainer.
So in your experience or preference really, you'd rather me (hypothetically speaking) to have put my pup through Obedience (based around the Sch training) and completed some to all of the tracking training before you'd work with me?

If so, the books you provided will get me a leg in the door. Reason I'm asking is because I've been in the air with what I want to do with my pup (in terms of training and competing) and I personally really enjoy the obedience and dedication and focus of Sch. and I would like to get my pup in to that...it would fun for both of us I think.
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If you want to get started in Sch try finding a club and working with them. A personal trainer can cost you thousands of dollars in training and a club will just cost you yearly dues. If the club has a good trainer that is all you need, some clubs meet once or twice a week and you can start taking a young puppy and start on obedience right away. They can also show you how to start shaping behaviors now for later on, even things as simple as playing with your puppy can really affect how your dog performs later on. To learn to play with a potential competition dog is different than for a pet. All these little things you can learn and start right away with a club, if you go to a private trainer you can still learn the same things but clubs IMO are a better financial option. Check this thread out and find a club in your area that will work with bully breeds.
https://www.gopitbull.com/schutzhund/...-sch-club.html
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Kim, I went there but there aren't any in my area. however, I found a club and I'm waiting to hear back if they are willing to work with Bully breeds.

However, for the time being I wanted some literature to read up on Sch and understand it and maybe add to my obedience training that I'll be doing soon. Thanks!!
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To answer your question: I would hope that owning a APBT that you realize you are going to have to do a few things extra, to get people to take you serious and help you get started in Schutzhund. A lot of clubs are gunshy of new people in general becuase they take so much extra time. Myself, being a helper(club and regional level), see so many people come out, and I bust my butt helping them. Then after a few sessions they never come back. Most people, once they realize how much work it takes to train in all 3 phases of schutzhund, lose interest.

When I first became interested in schutzhund, I went out and watched clubs work dogs, talked to a few people. I did not bring my dog. I purchased a couple of books(susan barwigs), and started training in my backyard, what I could do myself. Mainly basic obedience and tugwork. The first club I went to allowed me in, because they could see I was serious and figured I could do helper work. I was the first APBT to ever join the club.

"The extra work that you do, will definately be to your benefit."


Yes, If you can find a Schutzhund club that will let you join, by all means join. However, I am telling you the truth, that the average schutzhund club will not accept a bull breed with open arms. You are going to have to do your homework. Meaning your dog is going to have to already have some obedience, and be social before any club will even let you come out to watch. If you have any dog aggression issues, you will need to get that fixxed before you even venture out there.

I truly beleive that you will have to do some training with a trainer and on your own before a schutzhund club will even consider letting you come out.

The poster above gives you a link to USA clubs, but here is one for DVG also.
Member Clubs by Regions
Also, here is a link to the working pitbull board where most the APBT schutzhund people hang out.
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Here is an old post I wrote about how to get in to a schutzhund club. Maybe this will help.
If you can find a good schutzhund club to train with, that would be wonderful. A club offers so much more than an individual trainer, such as mentoring and different training strategies. However, if you are trying to get into a club, and own a pit bull...good luck. Most schutzhund clubs are leary about taking in new members, especially ones with bull breeds.
Here are some tips for getting a Schutzhund club to allow you to train with them, with a bull breed.
1. You should have already had some obedience training on your pup, perhaps even have an obedience title with another registry (U-CD or UKC FO).
2. The first few times you meet with the club, don't even ask them to "work" your dog. Watch, listen, and learn. Keep your mouth shut. Do not talk about how your dog is the baddest, toughest dog or breed.
3. Go alone or with your family, not a group of friends.
4. Read everything you can about Schutzhund, but don't sit and talk about how much you know, wait for them to ask you.
5. Make sure your dog has good manners around people and other dogs. Do not bring a dog aggressive dog to a training club, and think they are going to allow it.
6. Don't waste the clubs time. Make sure your dog has some prey/play drive, and stable nerves before you even decide to work it. If your dog is not interested in a ball or tug work with you, it is not going to play on a strange field with all the distractions.
7. Although a club is best, a pit bull owner may have to pay a trainer for awhile, to get a dog to the point where a club feels they are worth their time. Again, pick a trainer that has titled a dog in the sport you are interested in(not just a SchHB), and has worked non-herding breeds before.
8. Also, keep in mind that although obedience is a plus, don't use all compulsion style obedience, or you could hurt a dog for schutzhund. A dog should start obedience with a motivation, and reward methods. Later on when a dog knows the commands some force may be used.

Again, these are some suggestions to keep in mind. I have been doing schutzhund for a very long time, and have belonged to several SchH clubs, so I see both points of view, the clubs and the wantabee member.
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Thanks to both of you guys!

I'm actually swing by Borders to get Barwigs's book this afternoon and reading it and I've emailed a couple of clubs (or what used to be clubs) in Louisiana. So we'll see how far I go. Again thanks for your help it is greatly appreciated.
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I would love to do Sch. training with Vendetta but unfornutaly the closest place for me is a 4hr drive one way...so it is out of the question. I am looking to bring some of those people up here next summer to doa work shop. I'm training Vendetta in tracking right now and I think I have her obedience almost at the top of our game.

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So, the closest club is 4 hours away (just like you Mikado). But they are willing to evaluate my Bully and determine if she's going to be a good "working" dog. But before they will see me and evaluate they want me to complete obedience training first and have that down and handled.

so thanks guys for everything!
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