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Old 09-06-2012, 09:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Puppy biting

Ok I know people on here can help. I have a puppy who has a evaluation for SchH coming up. The trainer told me not to work on OB to much but I'm trying the sit, stay, and just playing w toys but he still bites my daughters as well as my wife and my hands but hell get you good to the point it actually stings. But I don't know what to do cause I think telling him no hitting would deter him for doing it later. So what should I do? Cause I want home not to fear biting since its required in the sport. Any help will be greatly appreciated


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Ok I know people on here can help. I have a puppy who has a evaluation for SchH coming up. The trainer told me not to work on OB to much but I'm trying the sit, stay, and just playing w toys but he still bites my daughters as well as my wife and my hands but hell get you good to the point it actually stings. But I don't know what to do cause I think telling him no hitting would deter him for doing it later. So what should I do? Cause I want home not to fear biting since its required in the sport. Any help will be greatly appreciated


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Hi Bear I'm not expert and I am sure someone who is more experienced will come along with some advice but this is what I did with Patch and it seemed to work just fine. I would tap her nose with 1 finger and tell her no as soon as she stopped I would grab her toy and redirect her biting onto that and offer lots of praise. She is now nearly 10 months the only person in the household she will bite is me during rough play and she is always very gentle, but if I tell her to bite something she will do in a very wild fashion so it seems to have worked for me at least.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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It's hard to give advice for a potential working dog over the internet because I do not know how soft your dogs is. However if he is biting your little girl tell him NO and if they doesn't work scruff him and tell him no. I don't put up with biting of the kids as puppy teeth can really hurt. They will help you with biting because what you don't want is a dog who will let go of toys as soon as you touch it from over correcting. DO NOT work Obed as a first time sports dog person will always over do it and start bad habits anyway that could take months to try and fix. So just let your pup be a pup and go with your trainers advice. There is so much a pet owner can do to screw up a good potential working dog that if you are serious to doing Schutzhund just wait. I know that doesn't really help but the best thing you can do for your pup is play with him and always let him win when you play tug.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Thank you guys very much I guess I'll just relax and keep up with the no peeing in the house lol and relax with the Obed. Wednesday is his first puppy class so I guess I'll wait till then. Thank you again for the info I grateful appreciate it!


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How old is the puppy?? Mine tore me apart when she was a baby and she's great now.
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when my daemon was a pup , we had a little of that issue. I would keep a jute tug or a burlap sack around and when he tries to bite flesh , redirect him to the toy. They need to learn the difference on whats acceptable to bite anyhow .
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It's puppy Obed. Classes but with a SchH trainer.


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How old is the puppy?? Mine tore me apart when she was a baby and she's great now.
He's 11 weeks now


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Awesome! Enjoy class and let us know how he does!!
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It's hard to give advice for a potential working dog over the internet because I do not know how soft your dogs is. However if he is biting your little girl tell him NO and if they doesn't work scruff him and tell him no. I don't put up with biting of the kids as puppy teeth can really hurt. They will help you with biting because what you don't want is a dog who will let go of toys as soon as you touch it from over correcting.
Question....I am not involved in this sport in any way so this is more of a 'for my knowledge' sort of thing...

But by 'scruffing' a dog to correct a behavior (especially around kids) are you not worried of negative association or redirected aggression? It has been my experience that kids are 'collar grabbers'. It seems natural for them to grab a dogs collar to pull them into a direction for whatever reason. My concern would be that if the kids did 'collar grab' and the dog associated that movement with a correction the possibility of redirect would be high.

My first inclination would be to not correct but redirect. If the pup is using his mouth inappropriately remove him and guide him to something more appropriate. That way he has zero negative associations with 'biting' but you are also teaching what is appropriate at the same time.

Again, I am not involved in this sport nor that training of it (not that I don't enjoy it) but I asked the question for my own education.
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Redirect doesn't work, it doesn't stop the behavior they will still think it's ok to bite. And redirect on a person? I've never had it happen if it's done correctly. It should be a very negative association for biting someone, it's not allowed or you get in big trouble! Personally if it was my pup biting me I would be snatching it by the ear, ears make great ways to correct, get your point across quickly and effectively. If a dog properly knows what's allowed and what's not allowed there should be no issue with making a correction. No redirection on to people, no collar issues, nothing. It's just that most people don't know how to be the head of the house and then you get big issues when you try and correct. Being in charge does not mean being heavy handed either. I have some really soft dogs but your corrections have to be fair and enough to stop the behaviour without going overboard. You want respect from your dog not fear.
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Redirect doesn't work, it doesn't stop the behavior they will still think it's ok to bite. And redirect on a person? I've never had it happen if it's done correctly. It should be a very negative association for biting someone, it's not allowed or you get in big trouble! Personally if it was my pup biting me I would be snatching it by the ear, ears make great ways to correct, get your point across quickly and effectively. If a dog properly knows what's allowed and what's not allowed there should be no issue with making a correction. No redirection on to people, no collar issues, nothing. It's just that most people don't know how to be the head of the house and then you get big issues when you try and correct. Being in charge does not mean being heavy handed either. I have some really soft dogs but your corrections have to be fair and enough to stop the behaviour without going overboard. You want respect from your dog not fear.
I completely agree I personally tap my patch on the nose with 1 finger and have done since she was 6 weeks old she is now 10 months old and even if I'm not right next to her if I point at her she will lower her head and turn it to the side as she knows she's in trouble. This has never hurt her and she is by no means scared of me at all thats why she will still come and steal things off me when she is being cheeky I posted some pics on another thread of her when she had been ripping her toys up, as soon as I said her name and pointed at her she stopped what she was doing and tried to move to the side as if she wasn't doing anything as I got up she then turned her head because I was still pointing at her. You have to teach your dog what is acceptable behaviour as soon as possible. Patch will play rough with me chewing on my hand but never hard enough to break then skin or leave a mark but she knows that she can not play with my little girl (6) or my son (9) of my mrs (never ask a woman her age) the same way as she does with me she wont try and bite on anyone else hand she just goes and paws everyone else when she want to play.
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I really hate this no conflict or no correction type training that has popped up where they redirect behaviour but never fix the root of the problem. I will say this though it has made my business grow because when people get tired of that not working then I get business to fix it! lol There is such a small percentage of dogs that really works for it's jut not reasonable for the general public. I see so many of these trainers and their dog are of the the worst behaved and no control. It's just like raising kids and how the new methods have made such lazy and self entitled children... what happened to a good old fashion swat to the butt? lol

Most of my training I teach is motivational but behaviour problems are easily corrected with showing them what they can and cannot do. My own dogs know I do not put up this that sort of crap and I'm a little harder on my own dogs as I expect more out of them. That's why I said I would snatch my own dog by the ear but suggested the scruff in the thread. You have to know how much pressure to put on a dog so you do not end up of a dog who fears you. Again you want respect not fear.
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Is that in general training or specifically for sport type dogs?

I am very leery to pass that type of training technique on to the general public...meaning someone who isn't well versed in any type of dog training, especially with bully breeds.

It has been my experience that in the hands of the general person, that technique could quickly go awry and eventually they will be met with challenge from the dog. As I am sure you know, most dog owners are not leaders in their house. They luck out often times with a decent mannered dog requiring very little work. And when met with a challenge most will not seek help, they dump.

I am more inclined to give advise that follows the 'safer route' in my opinion. However I asked the question because I wasn't sure if training dogs intended for sport required some finesse to keep the drive. I would assume that is the case.
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