ABKC Class Info

I would have to concur with Manny's evaluation of the your beautiful girl! I also want to commend Manny on his suggestions of other activities to perform with their dog, because just because a dog is not cut out for a show career does not mean there are not other great activities for the dog. Another one he didn't mention, depend on the dog's temperment, is going to therapy dog service.

Sadie brought up a very interesting dilemma in your post:

Manny this is where I guess I get confused for dogs that are am bullies but don't fit the ABKC standard what should they do ? Could this dog be shown under the ukc current standards ?Because some bullies fall more on the apbt side but by there pedigrees they are not APBT'S

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Their pedigree ARE APBTs. Without getting back into everyone's "personal opinion" of what an APBT, the UKC still recognizes these dogs as APBTs because there are not other breeders mixed it. (Remember the AmStaff was considered an APBT to the UKC at the time) This is the reason why I say not all Razors Edge dogs are American Bullies, because in the process of trying to produce conformational quality American Bullies, some of the by product have been very successful UKC show APBTs. But like Manny said, not all dogs are show dogs either, and have conformational faults or disqualifing faults that limit their ability to show.

LoudMouf said:

I would have to concur with Manny's evaluation of the your beautiful girl! I also want to commend Manny on his suggestions of other activities to perform with their dog, because just because a dog is not cut out for a show career does not mean there are not other great activities for the dog. Another one he didn't mention, depend on the dog's temperment, is going to therapy dog service.

Sadie brought up a very interesting dilemma in your post:

Their pedigree ARE APBTs. Without getting back into everyone's "personal opinion" of what an APBT, the UKC still recognizes these dogs as APBTs because there are not other breeders mixed it. (Remember the AmStaff was considered an APBT to the UKC at the time) This is the reason why I say not all Razors Edge dogs are American Bullies, because in the process of trying to produce conformational quality American Bullies, some of the by product have been very successful UKC show APBTs. But like Manny said, not all dogs are show dogs either, and have conformational faults or disqualifing faults that limit their ability to show.

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LOL It's funny because you have people mixing show blood into game blood, bully blood into show blood, bully blood into game blood. And we even have a new name for it all PITTERSTAFF! lmao!!! I am surprised you don't see breeder's now pushing these dogs as pitterstaff's and selling them as such lol.... it's so silly and just adds so much more confusion to it all . The registries don't care though they are out for profit bottom line. We had another heated debate about why someone would take a show bred dog AKC/UKC and cross it into Game Blood. I know not everyone agree's but I am sure you can at least respect and understand as someone trying to preserve the American Bully and cut out all the garbage that goes on within your breed from poor breeding practices. Why us APBT/Game dog folks get so offended when we see show breeder's taking AKC or UKC show blood and crossing it into game blood when we are working to preserve these working bloodlines that dog men spent their entire lives selectively breeding. It's just like trying to tell a die hard AKC Amstaff owner that they should register their dog's with the ADBA/UKC as APBT's. These guys don't want to have any part of it because these registries will not recognize their dogs as American Staffordshire Terries when it's clear to all parties on either side of the fence that the Amstaff has been selectively bred for the show ring for quite some time now they have evolved into their own breed. Physically the AKC staff no longer remotely even looks the same as an APBT nor are they bred for the same purpose and function. Like I said it just adds more drama and confusion for all sides trying to maintain and preserve their breed of choice.

Sadie said:

LOL It's funny because you have people mixing show blood into game blood, bully blood into show blood, bully blood into game blood. And we even have a new name for it all PITTERSTAFF! lmao!!! I am surprised you don't see breeder's now pushing these dogs as pitterstaff's and selling them as such lol.... it's so silly and just adds so much more confusion to it all . The registries don't care though they are out for the money bottom line. We had another heated debate about why someone would take a show bred dog AKC/UKC and cross it into Game Blood. I know not everyone agree's but I am sure you can at least respect and understand as someone trying to preserve the American Bully and cut out all the garbage that goes on within your breed from poor breeding practices. Why us APBT/Game dog folks get so offended when we see show breeder's taking AKC or UKC show blood and crossing it into game blood. It's just like trying to tell a die hard AKC Amstaff owner that they should register their dog's with the ADBA/UKC as APBT's. These guys don't want to have any part of it because these registries will not recognize their dogs as American Staffordshire Terries when it's clear to all of that the Amstaff has been selectively bred for the show ring for quite some time now. Physically the AKC staff no longer remotely even looks the same nor are they bred for the same purpose and function. Like I said it just adds more drama and confusion for all sides trying to maintain and preserve their breed of choice.

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Actually I have never even heard anyone use the term "Pitterstaff" until I came to GP. In fact I think it is probably one of the silliest things i have ever heard, and seems like a term coined by someone trying to discredit breeders of previous AKC/UKC dogs that were showing in the UKC. Like I have previous stated, until last year the UKC did not have any issue accepting the AmStaff as APBTs so people did not need to call them "Pitterstaffs" because in the eyes of only registry that would accept both dogs (the UKC) they would be APBTs. Actually we can agree on one thing, die hard AKC people (of any breed) feel their registry is above every other registry, following this same philosophy do ADBA breeders worry about registering with the AADR, UCA, or any other registry that they feel is beneath their registries status?


It seems unlike until last year this was the pyramid structure that registries followed. Paperwork could always transfer down the pyramid but never UP and sideways. If I really wanted to break it down more, there is a three level and fourth where paperwork is laterally accepted then you have all the BS registries on the bottom, but this give you a general idea of how the registry pyramid is for the APBT/Amstaff.

See the people who I am close to in the dog world are no longer registering their dog's or the litter's they produce with any of the above registers. Most of them are just keeping hand written pedigree's nowadays a few up coming dogs I am adding to my yard will not be registered not that they can't be but by choice will not be registered. I have quite a few buddies who do show with the AADR .... My dog's are both ADBA/BFKC registered I also do not breed as I have no reason to. But I get where you are coming from I actually don't like to get caught up in the registry BS because I understand that as long as profit comes from registering dogs there will always be BS that surrounds it all. And yes I agree that term Pitterstaff really is stupid and it irks the crap out of me when I hear people use it and push it as if it's some sort of established breed LOL. But what can you do.. I am sure tomorrow it will be something else .... I guess I am just big on preserving these working lines we have left that haven't been destroyed or ruined by BYB's ....

LoudMouf said:

I understand they are breeding for themselves, but you can not control every dog you breed. Producing dogs is a trickle down effect and no matter how much you attempt to keep them all to yourself down the cycle dogs always get out which adds to the problem. No one is exempt from the overpopulation issue of the bully breeds, no even the most rare game lines or the most selectively bully breeder. If we are producing dogs, we are STILL part of the problem. I'm sorry I can't condone that.

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Yes there is always a risk in breeding this trickle down effect apply's to everyone breeding I agree with that even the best breeder with the best intentions can't control what another person does with their dogs. These folks are not breeding dog's of unknown linage they just don't register these dogs for their own personal reasons however they know exactly what they are breeding and hand written pedigree's are not a bad thing dog men have kept them for years. Hell there are plenty of dogs registered who's papers are bogus so in all honesty it just depends on the breeder and how trustworthy that breeder is even with paper's. It's too easy to hang paper's and it's been going on for years. I can say that people like the one's I know are very well aware of the problem which is why they rarely breed and when they do they keep what they breed 99% of the time. It's very rare for them to let a dog go and if it does it's kept within the circle they don't allow their dog's to go to the general population their circles are closed they only deal with so many people so if you are able to ever get a dog off them your lucky. As my mentor said to me I don't need to pay the ADBA to tell me how my dog's are bred. I understand you don't condone hand written pedigree's but IMO I don't have an issue with them so long as the man who is breeding and keeping the handwritten peds is an honest breeder. I don't think everyone should be keeping hand written pedigree's either there is nothing wrong with registering your dog's if you so choose to. There are reasons why someone would choose not to register their dogs but I am not going into that one LOL ...

Kristen623 said:

How does one attempt to decide to show his/her dog in the ABKC. My pup's father Cash is in shows and his owner told me if I wanted to show Mason, she'd train us. I told her I'd think about it. Do you have to work out the dog by pulling? I would love to hear more about preparing a dog to show

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To show ABKC conformation your dog needs to know how to stack and work on gaiting around the ring. Some dogs pick up on it easy and some take more time. If you have someone to help you learn how to stack a dog correcly you should pursue it. Go to a show and watch the ring. You will pick up on it by observation if anything. Where are you located? I can tell you when the next few shows are around you. You need to register your dog with the ABKC if he isn't already.
Registration
Your dog must have either AKC, UKC, or ADBA paperwork to register with the ABKC.


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I'll post more info but I have to get ready for my brother's wedding so I'll do it later tonight.