If you have a dog that is heavy Patricks red baby good amount of amstaff(tacoma). Dogs down from bodzianowski's flash bred to amstaffs(tacoma). Kingfish part amstaff(tacoma). Fox's Alvin the dog was half ruffian amstaff. And Carver has been reported as having used selected amstaffs in some of his breedings though not documented. There are probaly more that I do not know of. And not all amstaffs are bred for show. There are still so bred for the original purpose.Or at least to exhibit the original traits.