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rules and regulation impeed on freedom.... period. Zoos get their stuff from private conservation efforts many times are men and women with such "farms" In many states what this man had would be considerd a "petting zoo" ..

AGAIN.. Regulate trafficing of animals ??? So I guess we want to destroy everything in the name of comfort and less accountability for self in regards to the planet?

Sorry it doesnt make sense, why would we want regulation and control? this is a nation of liberties and freedoms and we think we have it better than commie countries who shop and own everything we do, and lions and tigers and bears oh my... the point.. agian.. this is a nation of freedoms and let each state govern its own.
 
I posted in the BSL section a petition to stop the killing of pits in ohio . Not sure how much good it will actually do but its worth a try anyways ,and its to stop BSL . Just thought I would mention it , but on the topic of the wild animals . I have to agree and disagree with what they did ,I feel bad for the animals but containing and tranq. that many animals would have been impossible IMO .


Crazy that the laws to have a wild animal a not as strict as theu are on a pitbull/and owner there .
 
Agree to a point but the average person shouldnt be allowed to go out and own one of these animals IMO. There should be regulations, liscensing, some sort of control on who owns these making sure there arent accidents and there is a functional brain in the person who is owning these animals. I think anyone would want that , how would you feel if john doe down the road owned one and wasnt responsible for it, think of the kids out playing if a tiger per say gets loose. I think its one thing for a lion to walk into town in africa where they grow up learning about there animals then to have one walk up in town here. Im against people owning exatic wild animals here , majority of animals like that cant be tamed or domesticated ever and are a risk for those who live nearby.
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if your in any country BUT the USA its OKAY to rule by limited liberty. This is the land of liberty and I appreciate the freedom to have wild animals as part of the "den". ANYONE ... ANYONE who would want to take that risk is CRAZY anyway, take it from the source :hammer: LOL Im a Ron Paul supporting Constitutionalist. Give me freedom/liberty or give me death! Thats the USA.

When I lived in Okla and while growing up there, if you had a PUMA (mt.lion) or a cheetah you could "falconere" so to speak, you could course deer. There is a Clouded Leopard research and rehabitation conservation place in Okla that started out like "backyard breeders" so to speak in the sense of society point of view. Most men go crazy when or shortly before their wives leave them; people are crazy.. did you know that .. why do you think the astronauts and super sonic flight pilots have to always take rigorous psychological testing and prepping? Because it takes someone whos crazy to do those things.

I look at each case individually this isn't a string of events by no mean should their be a WITCH HUNT! The POINT is the OFFICIALS expect the PEOPLE to be ACCOUNTABLE for IGNORANCE .. .. So should they be.. because people and our rights and liberties are above any branch of government let alone the police or judicial system they work for us. BE MORE ATTENTIVE.

In Oklahoma you do have to have permits for certain big cats and primates but There was a man who was arrested for pitting his baboon against ghetto pits.. LOL dumb Tart people are far and wide. STILL .. let each state make rules more or less socialist or communist or police state or utopian or constutional, etc. Let there be freedom .. in the one country that has it in place of its soul foundation. AND lets please PLEASE keep the witch hunts focused on METH, CROOKED GOVERNMENT (all branches), and of course true terrorist threats that want to destroy the constitutionally founded United States of America. Let the socialist, and communist countries do what they do.. but when you can get videos of lion, and tiger farms in china, india, korea, .. where they raise them and interbreed them for all sorts of capital purposes.

BUT HEY .. lets regulate and control LIBERTY in the Land of Liberty..



:hammer: LOL This is How I think, by no means do I say your opinion doesnt matter, I see a political witch hunt .. its a good smoke screen. I enjoy reading the thread ... we can regulate and control all we want, but no matter what you can't cure stupid ( isnt that what you said KM) .. BUT you can ENLIGHTEN its called education and the study for truth in all things.
 
if your in any country BUT the USA its OKAY to rule by limited liberty. This is the land of liberty and I appreciate the freedom to have wild animals as part of the "den". ANYONE ... ANYONE who would want to take that risk is CRAZY anyway, take it from the source :hammer: LOL Im a Ron Paul supporting Constitutionalist. Give me freedom/liberty or give me death! Thats the USA.

When I lived in Okla and while growing up there, if you had a PUMA (mt.lion) or a cheetah you could "falconere" so to speak, you could course deer. There is a Clouded Leopard research and rehabitation conservation place in Okla that started out like "backyard breeders" so to speak in the sense of society point of view. Most men go crazy when or shortly before their wives leave them; people are crazy.. did you know that .. why do you think the astronauts and super sonic flight pilots have to always take rigorous psychological testing and prepping? Because it takes someone whos crazy to do those things.

I look at each case individually this isn't a string of events by no mean should their be a WITCH HUNT! The POINT is the OFFICIALS expect the PEOPLE to be ACCOUNTABLE for IGNORANCE .. .. So should they be.. because people and our rights and liberties are above any branch of government let alone the police or judicial system they work for us. BE MORE ATTENTIVE.

In Oklahoma you do have to have permits for certain big cats and primates but There was a man who was arrested for pitting his baboon against ghetto pits.. LOL dumb Tart people are far and wide. STILL .. let each state make rules more or less socialist or communist or police state or utopian or constutional, etc. Let there be freedom .. in the one country that has it in place of its soul foundation. AND lets please PLEASE keep the witch hunts focused on METH, CROOKED GOVERNMENT (all branches), and of course true terrorist threats that want to destroy the constitutionally founded United States of America. Let the socialist, and communist countries do what they do.. but when you can get videos of lion, and tiger farms in china, india, korea, .. where they raise them and interbreed them for all sorts of capital purposes.

BUT HEY .. lets regulate and control LIBERTY in the Land of Liberty..

:hammer: LOL This is How I think, by no means do I say your opinion doesnt matter, I see a political witch hunt .. its a good smoke screen. I enjoy reading the thread ... we can regulate and control all we want, but no matter what you can't cure stupid ( isnt that what you said KM) .. BUT you can ENLIGHTEN its called education and the study for truth in all things.
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The whole thing was tragic and I feel something should of done prior to this horrific situation not only for the animals sake but for the man's. It reminds me of an old saying my father used to say. Why wait for something horrible to happen before something is done. Same as child abuse (I know this is off subject) If you know something is going on why keep giving people opportunities to continue f*ing up. In hopes they will change their ways. The innocent suffer in the long run. RIP and be free in your new wild kingdom
 
Good post broski. Can't give rep, I gotta spread love. It's a lose lose situation as stated. Kill them or just wait to rescue them.... Good luck trying to find them later. You'd have a nasty situation at hand.

You also have to look at it from a public safety stand point, while i agree as a whole police are trigger happy and also tend to jump on things without taking a second to weigh all options.. This happened so suddenly the first thing that needed to be ensured is public safety.. If they would have attempted to save vs shoot on sight there would have been a very good chance (depending on the window available between known released and sunset) that these animals would have started hiding, moving and hunting once the sun went down. The last thing youd want to hear with this story is how children were mauled.

Its truly a lose - lose situation. You either risk innocent lives by waiting until several experienced came to tranquilize these animals or begin to shoot to kill. While the numbers are staggering in the way of how many endangered animals were shot and killed... I believe in a nutshell, its justified.

Yes, its not the animals fault and they were doing what it is animals do.. Yes, this situation should of been handled with more care.. Its easy to make judgement on a situation without being there involved.

This is just more reason to ensure more frequently these animals cannot escape and that anyone involved in the zoo process is in their right mind. Someone that releases animals and commits suicide is not just your average Joe.. Something happened some where and something aint right in that persons head. This probably could have been avoided long before this situation happened.

If you saw a tiger running down your street, would you wait and figure out a number to call to get it taken cared of or would you shoot it? While yes it sucks and i am 100% for preservation of these fine animals the bottom line is i'm not going to risk innocence just because they should be saved.

Personally i believe these animals need more protected land vs being held in a zoo environment, its safer and much more natural for them to thrive vs slowly developing a risky bond with humans.. Take that bond out you are left with wild animals that are not afraid of humans. If they are hungry enough they will kill a human without second thought. It is just how nature works which is why i prefer to see more protected land for them.

It is what it is though, nothing can be done to change the situation. All that can happen now is learn from the mistakes that were made and instill these learned mistakes for future reference so this doesn't happen again.
 
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