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I know that Greyline is American Bully. I've never heard Ruffian talked about, so IDK on that one.
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ruffian was an amstaff if i remember correctly
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I'm pretty sure I've seen Kim Swogger posting on here before and answering similar questions about her dogs. They are heavy boned "UKC type" dogs.
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Kim Swogger and her "crew" breed strictly for the red coats. She has a website, or used to (not sure if she still has it) but she is/was a member here. If you search at the top, you can find threads by her or threads she has posted in regarding her dogs.
http://www.gopitbull.com/bloodline-discussion/30167-what-do-you-think-pedigree.html
This thread should help you out some.
http://www.gopitbull.com/bloodline-discussion/30167-what-do-you-think-pedigree.html
This thread should help you out some.
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Ruffian is an AmStaff Bloodline that was based on the AKC Ch. The Ruffian who was whelped in 1938 and had a ton of Tudor dogs behind him.
Ch.The Ruffian ped
Ch.The Ruffian ped
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The ruffian is supposed to be am staff.. greyline I see alot in bullies and I've never heard of swogger
Thank you for your respons. This breeder use those bloodlines...are the dogs APBT or American Bullies or......?
http://www.purepowerkennels.com
http://www.purepowerkennels.com
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I guess you did not read my response or the others that explaind the Ruffian Line?!?! Those are NOT what anyone one should consider an APBT. There is not a single pedigree listed on their site and they do not have any of their dogs titles listed. So I'm assuming there aren't any! What a joke!
Below is a list from their website of Bloodlines they're breeding. By the way, I'm sure you could get that same combination of Blood at your local pound for FREE!
O.G. Greyline - O.G. Muttt
Ruffian -AST going back to Tudor dogs. One of the better early AST Bloodlines.
Watchdog - Started off as questionable APBT turned into a Mutt
Ganghis Kon - Who Cares
Chaos - Whatever
Dangerzone - Mutt
Swoggers - I have no clue and could care less
Camelot - Started off as APBT and turned into Dogue de Bordeaux Mutts
Razors Edge - The Biggest Joke in Bull Dogs!
Funny that you call Dangerzone mutts, I would disagree 10000%. They are big boned catch dogs, pure drive and excel in just about any venue. My 100% dangerzone dog was an A/A, UWPCH weight puller as well as being an ADBA Ch in the show ring. He was even starting to earn a title in agility before he got hurt. Granted any dog can do this, regardless of papers, but he had a solid ped to back him up too. Maybe he didn't fit the game dog size and what not, but he was a damn fine "mutt". The DZ bloodline has a solid foundation if you bother to go and read about it, certainly not mutts.
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The comment above by elvis is strictly his opinion and some of the comments I disagree with 100% . razors edge and Ghangis kon are american bully lines, Grey line and watch dog you see in alot of bullys these days as well. Depending on the dog and what exact lines they have they sound to most likely be american bullys, possibly as staff in some cases. If they are using ALL those lines up there together sounds like they dont know what they are doing and if all those are found in 1 dogs line I would venture out to just call them scatter bred.
DZ dogs are game apbt
watchdog WAS game apbt until chaos took it over. you can talk to chaos about it.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to zohawn again.
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SMeGGs Go search through this forum and look through my posts. I have my opinions for sure. The majority of my posts are photos or helpful insight from my 30 years of owning Pit Bulls. On occasion and usually after a few beers I can be kind of a smart ass. Like the time I was posting about Midgets. What I posted in this thread is my opinion and my opinion is based on what I’ve seen and read. Yes, some of it I read on the internet! What I posted about the Ruffian Bloodline I got from the late Jane Rebello who bred some great looking and great working AST’s out here in SoCal back in the early 80’s. I had the pleasure of hanging out with her many times. What I posted on Watchdog I read in books like The Complete Gamedog and what a breeder I know in Riverside told me about Casey Courtier. RE, we’ll everyone’s read the story of how Dave Wilson mixed breeds together to create his line. Yes, people say he retracted it or he was misquoted. I think it’s the truth. Yes, that came off the internet. I’ve always hear that Dangerzone had AST blood in their line hence my Mutt comment. Also containing AST Blood is Greyline. They also produced Notorious Juan Gotty. Now that pedigree has been debated for years on……. Wait for it……. Wait….The internet!! I know nothing about Genghis Kon, Chaos or swagger so I posted that I didn’t know or care about those lines. One final note. Most people on here know I love game bred dogs, but they also know I’m not a Bully or AST hater at all. I would never own either breed, but that a personal choice . The only thing I hate about a lot of Bully Breeders is that they market their dogs as an APBT when they’re not and they know the papers are hung. That brings us back to an earlier thread. Why would some call their dog a Bully when their UKC or worst yet their ADBA pedigree states they own an American Pit Bull Terrier. I will stop using the Mutt. I will now substitute that word with Mongrel “a dog of mixed or indeterminate breed.” SMeGGs have a better day!
I would like to learn more about bloodlines because in The Netherlands the Apbt the American Bully is a very rare breed. Most people and breeders know nothing about bloodlines and before I buy an APBT or Bully and want to learn so much as possible about te breed and bloodlines. English is not my native language so my apologies if I understand something wrong.
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You can appreciate a nice dog, I will vouch for that. Earl and Ivy are more suited for your lifestyle and you do hella work with them, for which I commend you. I will say that you have never said an ill word about my dogs and have always been respectful towards my posts.
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LOL. That was very well stated. And I also, like you, have been around these dogs a long time, about 35 years since I was a kid. And what you have said is basically all true.
If you have been in SCal that long, then you might remember that the only place I knew of that you could get a good apbt back then was from Vera Storms out of E.LA
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I know who you're talking about, but I never meet her. Did you ever go to the weight pulls out at Legg Lake Park? There was always a handful of good dogs out there.
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