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If you purchase a dog from a backyard breeder you are just as guilty as the breeder itself. Who are what is a backyard breeder you ask? 9 times out of 10 its the person you just purchased that dog from. A real dog man probably wont sale a dog to someone who isnt a family member or someone whom there personally close to.
 

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You can argue both sides of adopting as well , where do you think those BYB pups end up when they cant sell them? Buyers just need to do there homework , there are some great breeders out there but you have to know what to look for, what to ask ect. Alot of people think if they save that 1 pup they are atleast helping but are they really? just makes more room for more pups but at the same time I dont think it matters they will ditch the pups once they hit 4 months or so at the pound and breed again.
I would have to say adopting you aren't getting a better quality dog per say majority are still coming from the same place, but atleast you know they are coming with there shots and spay neuter { atleast in the more reputable shelters, heard of some adopting out intact dogs only adding to the problem} So would have to depend on who you are adopting from if you are actually doing any better then those buying from a BYB.
 

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its amazing how many people, even after i tell them Odin is a shelter dog, ask me if he's fixed. i mean really?! he's big and pretty but he is not breeding material IMHO. i love him to death but just cuz ur dog is intact doesnt mean u HAVE to breed. and ur kinda right 904bullys, if ur buying from BYB ur not helping the situation, only giving them a demand for their supply.
 

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My boy was a rescue so where he originated is beyond me but he certainly has a better life with me than he had before.
 

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Ruby was rescued from a BYB. So you're saying that I'm a bad person? I really think it doesn't matter WHERE you get your dog from. If you're saving a life, you're saving a life. In the end it's better than a bag full of puppies thrown out.

What you need to do. Is go off and complain to the authorities or your state legislators and try and ask them to put more laws in about BYB.
 

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Ruby was rescued from a BYB. So you're saying that I'm a bad person? I really think it doesn't matter WHERE you get your dog from. If you're saving a life, you're saving a life. In the end it's better than a bag full of puppies thrown out.

What you need to do. Is go off and complain to the authorities or your state legislators and try and ask them to put more laws in about BYB.
Right there with you!
And when u say byb u just mean dogs that sent registered in the ukc or a major registration?
 

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I dont think he is saying your a bad person, majority of people who see dogs in horrid conditions would take the dog too , thinking they are helping the dog { which they very much are} . He is just saying the people buying from BYB are enabling the breeder to continue doing so. To me I think if you buy from them or not it will be the same outcome, they will find places to dump those pups once they reach a certain age and continue breeding. I do think though if you are wanting a pedigree pup that your better off { health wise of the dog/s } finding a reputable breeder who health tests or atleast does regualr vet care on the parents and pups, who looks into structure and temperment of the dogs ect. If you just want to save a dog better of going with a shelter where most of the BYB pups end up anyways , atleast there they have vet care and you know the dog is healthy.
 

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Right there with you!
And when u say byb u just mean dogs that sent registered in the ukc or a major registration?
Back yard breeder. It's people who breed random sets of dogs without any papers or standards. It can cause a lot of health problems and dogs that people deem as "not good enough."
 

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I dont think he is saying your a bad person, majority of people who see dogs in horrid conditions would take the dog too , thinking they are helping the dog { which they very much are} . He is just saying the people buying from BYB are enabling the breeder to continue doing so. To me I think if you buy from them or not it will be the same outcome, they will find places to dump those pups once they reach a certain age and continue breeding. I do think though if you are wanting a pedigree pup that your better off { health wise of the dog/s } finding a reputable breeder who health tests or atleast does regualr vet care on the parents and pups, who looks into structure and temperment of the dogs ect. If you just want to save a dog better of going with a shelter where most of the BYB pups end up anyways , atleast there they have vet care and you know the dog is healthy.
You're exactly right. No matter who buys or who doesn't buy they know that there's people out there who will buy their dogs. There's really no way to stop it. A lot of those people are people who are saving those dogs. I use to go to a Flea Market where the breeders would say "If you don't buy this dog for 10 bucks we're going to kill it." And people would rush in to save them. They know how to work the system regardless. And until there's better laws out there there's really nothing we can do.
 

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Even though the professional setup and regiment is necessary to run a kennel or a yard properly.......
EVERYONE starts in their backyard....... Its what we do with the knowledge we have. Do we live in limited knowledge "IGNORANCE" or do we enlighten? Only the truth can enlighten and most people are fine believing a false ignorant truth but as people with awareness its our job to enlighten others through education. When you learn from your mistakes thats awareness when you learn through wise thought and understanding thats esoteric knowledge.


Im not talking :poop: on BYBs in the sense of people in their backyard but rather the ignorance that be-folds them and they push out in the public. I am prejudice, against ignorance. Its all about what ya got up stairs and how strong ya heart is; man or bulldog. JMO
 

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Back yard breeder. It's people who breed random sets of dogs without any papers or standards. It can cause a lot of health problems and dogs that people deem as "not good enough."
I personally bought my pup from a by breeder but all her dogs where taking care of when I bought her she had all her shots and the litter was planned she doesn't breed random sets every set is planned and every dog has all shots before she sells them and doesn't sell a dot unless she is.comfortable with the home it will end up in. Granted the dog did.t come with ukc papers because the parents never got registered from their parents who where ukc. So I think every byb is a diffrent case. Although it does need to be more monitored by law
 

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you all know what im referring to when i say "byb". Yes great well bred dogs come from backyards.. This thread wasnt meant to advocate adoptin but more so responsible breeding That being said I am a vet tech for an adoption clinic. Getting to the heart of the problem and stopping irresponsible breeding as of extreme of measures as i have to take is the only solution
 
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I too am a vet tech with my foundations in rescue and adoptions the SPCA in Bville Oklahoma, as your making valid points I had to make, different language; its clear that BYB is a term for an ignorant breeder and not someone who has their :poop: together let alone knowledge of and for their breed, especially bulldogs. Most people who want a pet need to adopt one, simple as that, if they wanna show dog or ch working dog....... well by all means......... otherwise its just selfish ignorance really, but a good amount of people who start this way end up being one of the foundation bully kennels or boston kennels, or what ever..
 

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Very well put Stan. Thank you as I know I dont always word things properly and alot of times let my emotion get the best of me. That being said my yard has some amazing worker/rescues. But i also have the luxury of "test driving" what I have. Unfortunately alot of our potential adopters dont have that luxury. Now with our ridiculously leanient(sp) adoption policy we know have an insane return policy. There apparently trying to make duval county no kill but that is unrealistic and some animals are just better off dead as harsh as that sounds and not everyone should adopt a bulldog
 

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Back yard breeder. It's people who breed random sets of dogs without any papers or standards. It can cause a lot of health problems and dogs that people deem as "not good enough."
The only person who needs to think my dog is good enough, is me and my family so I could care less if anyone doesn't think my boy is good enough. I know tons of people who have papers on their dogs who breed, they are still Back Yard Breeders to me though. And are usually the ones who say I will sell you a dog without the papers so its cheaper for you, when in actuality we know papers cost 20 bucks so its pointless. I also do not think "normal" dog owners know what the difference is or what to look for. Too many people do not do research until after they have a dog.

I rescued my pup from someone who got him from a BYB. Would I go the same route in the future now that I am armed with knowledge? Absolutely not. Live and learn...
 

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Thats the s%*t right there Ames. You go girl
 

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Not everyone needs or wants to adopt just as not everyone needs or wants to go through a breeder.. However, i can say a good 80% of dog owners shouldn't own them.. Just let them sit around going to waste until they die.. Leave the breeding to those willing, wanting to preserve or advance their breed of choice.. Leave the dog owning to those that will for fill the dogs intended purpose AS WELL as giving proper care.

We all, i'd suspect, are animal lovers and truly care about our own... However loving your animal doesn't mean you should have one.

On the breeding aspect, i have no problem with someone who "breeds out of their backyard" so long as they are breeding for themselves first and foremost, have an intended, direct and clear direction as well as a guiding, matured, hand if new to the "game".. We all start some where, its where you go from there that makes all the difference.
 

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The only person who needs to think my dog is good enough, is me and my family so I could care less if anyone doesn't think my boy is good enough.
This is so true and I agree completely, with one caveat. Any dog is "good enough" if he meets your needs. I have a companion dog, a pet. Granted there isn't extremely high criteria to be met, but she does a fine job and fits well within the house.

Good enough to breed is whole other ballgame. It baffles me that people who study pedigrees, temperaments, health and performance records are unable to have an entire litter without admitting to pet quality pups, but others will take two dogs, with unknown history or heritage and feel that they are doing the world a favor by having their dogs breed. I guess it is as they say... ignorance is bliss.
 

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A real dog man probably wont sale a dog to someone who isnt a family member or someone whom there personally close to.
Thats not true. Back yard breeders sell to people who do no know any better, but that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with getting a back yard bred dog.

If everyone in the world would not buy from back yard breeders then they wouldn't breed, but that isn't going to happen and so while people are breeding the dogs I would at least hope that some get placed in great homes that really wanted a good pet but didn't know what they were doing by supporting a backyard breeder.

To counter that, MANY great breeders place dog in homes with people who they do not know on a personal level. Everyone starts somewhere and many good breeders know this and will give people a chance to own a nice dog. Some great relationships come from people you get dogs from and sometimes it doesn't work, but if no one sold dogs to anyone other than who they personally knew it would be really tough for people to get into dog with having to first buy a back yard bred dog......
 
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