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Ok so looking at google which only made me more confused im trying to find good pictures of red tri's , red sables, champagne tri's. The coowner we have pep with right now says these pups are tri's but its hard to tell at this age i know ,and alot have changed already but would be nice to know what a true tri looks like compared to sables. all the sables I see have this black or dark coat over the light coat but the pups dont. I cant see the eye marks on any of them though { which is a big thing for a true tri right?} except one pup has them although this size its really hard to tell anyways im sure we will see in a couple weeks even. But has anyone heard or seen the ghost tri's? our breeder has a blue tri and his points are there but verrrry subtle he calls it a blue tri but reading google lol , they have posts about ghost tris and they look very much like his with very subtle points . Now is this an actual term or is this one of those selling gimmicks again?
 

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ok well this is what i found on one site, would you count the dog a tri lie they have when the points that are usually tan on tris are black and dont have the eyebrows. You can see in some of the pictures what i mean. Tri-Colored
 

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This kennel specializes in Tris and has a good layout of what they are genetically. Tri and Sable are both markings which is why they can come in blue, red, black.

HISTORY OF THE TRI COLOR GENE
 

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ok well this is what i found on one site, would you count the dog a tri lie they have when the points that are usually tan on tris are black and dont have the eyebrows. You can see in some of the pictures what i mean. Tri-Colored
Some of the dogs in there are Tri some are Sable and there are fawns lol so thats not a good site to try to educate with.

Thats one of the hard parts of learning on line. Anyone can post up info whether it is true or not.
 

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lol exactly i think googling confused me even more lol ... thanks for the link . I clicked on misc on that site i posted and they had tri's on that link as well and sables lol and even a couple that looked just red so seems like they may not know what they are looking at either lol.
 

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Here are creeping tan points, so they do not have actual eyebrow points. Is this what the pups look like? They are still at/at the first one also has a Kbr gene for brindle



 

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no 2 of the pups have 2 points above the eyes of tan but they are so tiny its really hard to see, will be watching how they turn out in the next week or 2 should be able to tell what marks are there or not there. we originally though t 5 were tri but one is looking more champagne color and one of the others is looking more red with blue or black face. ill post pics of them as they get bigger but was just trying to get a feel for what the true tri was compared to the others mentioned :)
 

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the ones you posted old blood are they considered tri when the face is more of a mask rather then points?
 

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Yes, technically. They are still chocolate and tan with white, then they'd be called tri. It is the tan point gene the same but they think there is modifying genes some dogs can have. It is the same on the chest region, there isn't actually points there is a lot of tan.
 

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A tri has dots over it's eyes only. Like a Dobie or a Rottie. When it looks more like a Malamute it is not tri. Tri is clearly defined. A heart shaped mask is not a tri. You could technically call them tri's(because there are 3 colors) but it is not caused by the same gene as tan points.

Sable's can very from very light almost clear red to extremely heavily shaded.

Dog Coat Colour Genetics
 

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ya see ive heard both theories like old blood said 3 colors = tri and then also heard tri is distinct marks and points of tan like the rotti markings. I think alot of people are confused on this issue as well iv seen dogs on other boards marked as tris but then after seeing some sables today they look closer to that.
 

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Well really 3 colors would be Tri Colored. However the Tri marking that is refereed to as Tri has the Tan points, that is what defines the marking as such. As Aimee said they are 2 different genes.
 

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Sorry to go off on a limb... But IDK care what they call it... I would love a tri with the specific markings they are gorgeous.... But tri to me is three distinct different shades on the dog....
 

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ya i love them too , im under the understanding now you can have a tri colored dog but too have a true tri it needs to be the classic rotti markings with just points of tan . I just think they are such nice looking colors { I have a big thing for rottis maybe thats part of the reason lol} I remeber the 1st time i ever seen a tri my friend on the phone told me what it was { it was a dog off his site} and I could have sworn he called them tribe colors lol so for like 6 months i was talking about these tribe colored pits and everyone was like WTF LMAO.
 

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I remember the first tri I ever saw several years back and I told the guy that it had to be mixed with a rottie... LOL yeah I had stupid moments like everyone else.....
 

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lmao thats wat cali said when i showed him that dog years ago he said it must be mixed with rottie its a mutt , lmao now he loves them too :)
 

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lol thats too funny..... Cali and I have a whole one thing in common hehehehehehehe
 

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I think Marley would be a red sable, not a tri, although he has 3 color the marking pattern is not specific like that of rotts or dobies. I noticed one of your pups looks like it may turn out to be colored like him, although he's a rotty mutt lmao :) any who here's a pic where you can see the black hairs that run along his neck and back.

 

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ya one of the ones we originally thought was a tri has changed a bit in the last couple days already and kinda looks darker on the top hairs like that so very well could be. find it fascinating how much they change in such a short time makes me wonder how they all will turn out lol guess I have to wait and see. I hate waiting . is dosia counted as a seal? i have a couple that are black but not pure black like pepper they almost have reds and brown hues to them in different light.
 

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Honestly I still have no clue lol. He has gotten so much lighter since he was a pup. He kinda looks like a dark blue with a fawn and chocolate under cast. FH called him slate blue but I'm not really sure what that means.
 
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