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My sister joined a different dog and at the meeting last night they were told about a tracking seminar that is happening in May. She called and I want to go so she signed Vendetta and I up for it. Vendetta will be the only pit bull. This club is mainly into hunt but the lady didnt bat an eye at having a pt bull on her porperty. Here is the site

http://http://www.huntspointclub.com/index.html

My sister said that Peggy wants to open this up too other breeds right now they only have retrievers. They didnt let the aussie in last night. I am hoping to get some pointers on training Vendetta hunt. We are having troubles with dummy retrievals. She only likes the orange cloth dummys.
 

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that sounds like fun!! Tyson used to go **** huntung with us and help the houds... im not quite sure if he still could hunt cause we havent had any hounds in about 2 years... I hope you guys have fun and enjoy it!!! :)
 

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I play a tracking game w/ my male. Started by hiding treats while he 'stayed', he begins his search with a command... then switched to an object, generally just a knotted up old t-shirt, first in the house, then in the local park, I've got a 50 ft lead to give him a little freedom. He retrieves the object then exchanges it for a treat. He loves doing it.
Don't know if it's a consequence of the game, but after we started that, he started tracking our female's and my son's path in the street. It turned out to be a bit of a pain to teach him when it was ok and not ok to 'track'. He's a very stubborn little personality.
 

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Vendetta does know how to tracking. I started training her last fall. It is hard to find things to do with our dogs way up here. Plus it is nice to get pointers from other trainers.

I started teaching Vendetta the find it game when she was just 2mos old. ( I got her at 4wks). I would hide treats in the house and have her seek them out. It got to the point that I would have to have my son take her outside so I could hide them for her. We set up searches for on the property too. She has an amazing nose.
 

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That sounds like fun, I'm sure Vendetta will do great. Take some pics if you can.....
 

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What are your plans? What type of tracking? Ive trained human scent, blood tracking, bird scent, water retrieval, etc and all are in the same field with minor adjustments. However the basic ground work for ALL of them is obedience.

Ive trained a few ribbon winning dogs that sure do make heads turn...man I miss them things!
 

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I really want to do search and rescue at some point. I also am trying to train her to do hunt trails even tho they(dog clubs) dont want to include her because she is APBT. I do it for fun.
 

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I really want to do search and rescue at some point. I also am trying to train her to do hunt trails even tho they(dog clubs) dont want to include her because she is APBT. I do it for fun.
Train her well and they will come around...I trained a pointer/pit mix once and he was one of the best mix breeds I ever layed eyes on. He was a bird hunting machine.

I havent done much search and rescue just the obediance portion of it but like any other scent training they run on the same basics. Learn how to work winds, weather conditions, and temps for the best layed scent.
 

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Thanks Tom.

I started training her last fall but had to stop because of all the snow. This year I hope to have the basics down better and we can work through the snow. She has a great nose on her. The thing is I dont have any one that does Search and Rescue training up here I would have to travel 4hrs one way to get the help I need so I bought these books.

Search and Rescue Dogs Training the K-9 Hero it was put out by the American Rescue Dog Association

Track Laying 101 by Ed Presnall

Novice Nosework A primer for Beginning Trackers by Ed Presnall adn Lois Ballard

Last fall I took a tracking seminar from Lois Ballard.
 

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Thanks Tom.

I started training her last fall but had to stop because of all the snow. This year I hope to have the basics down better and we can work through the snow. She has a great nose on her. The thing is I dont have any one that does Search and Rescue training up here I would have to travel 4hrs one way to get the help I need so I bought these books.

Search and Rescue Dogs Training the K-9 Hero it was put out by the American Rescue Dog Association

Track Laying 101 by Ed Presnall

Novice Nosework A primer for Beginning Trackers by Ed Presnall adn Lois Ballard

Last fall I took a tracking seminar from Lois Ballard.
Yea human tracking is different from animal tracking and retrieval. Human tracking though you need control over the dog its not as important as when tracking animals. I always need to have 100% mental control over my dogs so the obediance is much more important because if i see danger ahead on a hot trail or if I need to redirect them i need to know I can stop them mid run.

With human tracking they are more layed back and are able to run with a little less restriction. Not sure exactly what your plans are but if you want to train the dogs nose ya gotta start laying trails. Whatever it may be you just need to train the dogs nose. Start with fresh trails with short distances and minimal turns. Little by little you progress with fresh trails and more obsticals, 90 degree turns, water/open field. Learn how to work the dog and direct the dog in all scenarios such as working up and down stream, circling a fields edge if you lose the scent, and also reading the dogs body language. Body language is key . The more you work with the dog the more you will know whether the dog is hot or just guessing and cruising. It takes alot of field time to get good and to form that working relationship rather then that friends relationship.

You need to plan trails out and mark them to see if the dog is on the scent trail or not. I use 1"x3" pieces of paper stapled to trees to mark the course I layed high enough the dog wont see them and let the dog loose on a 40' lead of para cord (you need to train the dog first to get them use to pulling weight or such a large collar/lead will distract them).

Ive had many of nights in the bitter cold on my hands and knees in the swamp with the blood dog and he was a trooper...i always knew when he was working or fishing for a scent. Took years of working him to understand him and vice versa.

Man i could write for hours of what I use to do and some experiences Ive had with my pups so Ill stop there hahaha. If you need trainign specific stuff or anything feel free to specify what you need and I could try and narrow your learning curve some.

First piece of advice though...get a seperate collar/lead and a catch word. You want a thick collar preferably with padding or a chest harness bc they are going to pull and hard! Get yourself a long lead with no knots to let it run loose yet still have control and train the dog on getting use to pulling it. as for a phrase you need something other then the collar that lets the dog know its not play time its time to work. When my pup would see the collar and lead he knew it was time to blood trail...when he saw the bell and vest he knew it was time to bird hunt. I had several depending what we were doing but tracking he knew "Lets get paid!" People thought I was crazy but it worked! Id be running the woods yelling "Get Paid Cash" (the dogs name) and when he found his prize at the end he got paid with love and treats.

But like I said before feel free to ask whatever you need help on and I could try to give you some advice.
 

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I have a tracking harness and a 50ft tracking lead. I only pull them out when we go tracking. She is use to pulling that long rope through the tall grasses already. I have already hooked up some new sites for this year different types of land. SOme upland some swamp and of course lots of woods. I am going to start collect human scent from my co-workers to use. All of them said they would help me out on this end.

Oh I use " lets track" to get her going. My dog is amazing when it comes to understanding words I bet her vocabulary is about 200 words. She knows left, right, back , foward, so she knows the diference between car, van and truck. She is totally an amazing dog. I know that we can do this.

Thanks so much for all of your help thus far and I will be sure to pick your brain when I am stumbling this summer on this endeavor.
 
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