gotti line?
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yeah,super large bully dogs of amstaff and bulldog linage with a bit of neo mastiff and apbt mixed in,9 times out of 10 they are blue in color..It is rumored that gotti also is a man biter mauling a potential buyers hand and breaking three of his fingers.
heres some photos...
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that particular dog is named monster and is found in alot of gotti peds...
and this particular dog is back yard boogie,just a tad over done....
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heres some photos...
and this particular dog is back yard boogie,just a tad over done....
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I agree todays Gottiline dogs are overdone but unless you were there for the breeding there is no proof that Neos are a part of the mix. To say AmStaff and Bulldog like its seperate from the APBT is funny because correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt it the Colby bred dogs that were some of the 1st Pits registered as AmStaffs. So if you trace the AmStaff lineage it eventually goes back to gamebred dogs. And wasnt it a mix of the old school bulldogs and certain Terriers that created the APBT?
Ithink this dog looks good even if it is not a apbt I think it looks better than that other dog that is so lean but that my 2 centscane76 said:this is the dog the line was fonded off,natorious juan gotti...
a big dog,but really not that big compared to what some are now producing....
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neos and mastiffs are part of the mix for sure,just look at the dogs,how does a pure bred apbt or staff give birth to dogs that have the same features of other breeds like neos,thick hanging flues and dewlaps,rear ends that are higher than the height at the shoulders,and massive dogs,drooling dogs?MeatheadKennels1 said:
Ever hear of iron cross kennels?o.g gray line blood[lol],dogs directly off gotti,dogs that are 140 pounds plus,and as tall as there owner standing on there hind quarters,they say they wont stop intill they get 150 pd dogs,and guess what,no pure bred amstaff or apbt ever gets that big,ever,not from line breeding,not from inbreeding only from paper hanging and outcrossing,it happens all the time,you dont believe it then fine,choose to live in the dark its your desision....also,then amstaff was registered by the akc in 1936 i believe,70 years down the line and breeding just for show and head size has created a diffrent breed,they are not apbts no matter how many times there duel registered,also the bulldog used to create the apbt is not the english bulldog of nowadays used to enrich "re"and gotti lines and most the blue low rider stuff.basically the modern bulldog is a cripple with a lot of heart,it wants to be athletic and energetic but has been bred to such a state it just cant,its actually a pug cross from the late 1800's,sounds strange but its true....
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I respect the fact that it is your opinion ( based on looks ) that Greyline/Gotty dogs are mixed with Neos/Mastiffs but is still only an opinion based on no hard evidence. Unless you have proof you should not speak on other lines of Pits like its fact. I agree the look of some of the newer Gotty dogs raise the suspicion of an outcross ( ex: Gottilines Guero ) but unless I have proof its just an assumption and you know the old saying about assuming. By the way in my opinion GR CH Adams' Zebo is the epitome of what a A.P.B.T. should look like.
"zebo" was a good dog with a bad temperment,he bit off adams son's ear.MeatheadKennels1 said:
I prefer "red rednose dogs" between the weight of 60 and 70 pds,im really digging the "hollingsworth" blood line from what ive seen,but also really like the "chevy red"blood.so i have no problems with a pitbull thats been outcrossed,as long as it serves a purpose..
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Cane and wheezie - Well said. I dont think the old school dogmen cared much about what their dogs looked like as long as they handled their business.
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anybody have a pic of zebo? I might have seen him before but I cant remember. BTW, I have alot of freinds that are state and county policeman, I showed the pics of lilbit and notorious. It was unanimous- they all would shoot notorious on the approach, no questions asked and lilbit they would try to coax into their car with a cookie. pretty screweyMeatheadKennels1 said:
oke:i like a dog that looks good and can work.although im not someone whos interested in confrimation shows a good looking dog is always cool.My problem with most of the breeders of the low and wide is they dont do anything with there dogs,no working titles obviously no show titles besides abkc shows, and does that even really count?A dog has to do more than breed hundreds of litters to be a legend right?
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Hello
I don't like this kind of dog's but everybody has a different taste of dog's.
I like the apbt bred like before!
the gotti line and rasor edge are not Pit bull's they mist have a different name because they gave a bad name on the real apbt
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R&B Kennel
http://www.freewebs.com/redblackpits/
"this is what i found on an other site"
DAVE WILSON is President of Razor's Edge and self-proclaimed founder of a breed of dog he calls "American Bullys." For many years, fanciers of the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier have suspected that these "short and wide" bully-type dogs from lines such as Razor's Edge have very likely been mixed with other breeds to produce heavy-weight, thick-boned, big-headed, stout dogs that are portrayed as American Pit Bull Terriers. Dave Wilson has admitted that the development of these "American Bullies" rose from mixing dogs of various breeds, yet many of these dogs still have UKC registration papers.
In a letter to a newspaper, Dave Wilson wrote, "The 'Back 2 the Bullies' convention to be held tomorrow...is not for the 'celebration of the pit bull' as you allege; it is for public awareness of the American Bully. This is a new breed created more than 15 years ago, and it is a separate breed from the 'pit bull.'
"We blended different breeds together to obtain certain desired traits. The American pit bull terrier was one of the breeds whose lineage is in the background of this breed, but it is by no means the only breed behind it.
"Even the part of the lineage that is American pit bull terrier stems from United Kennel Club-registered conformation show dogs! There is also an American Kennel Club-registered show breed in the lineage of this breed called the American Staffordshire terrier. Some breeders even included some bulldog lineage into their breeding. This breed has been established for over 10 years now."
We Responsible Dog Owners hereby petition the UKC to conduct a full investigation into the Razor's Edge line and, if appropriate, revoke the registration all dogs registered by Dave Wilson and all dogs with Razor's Edge dogs within the first three generations of their pedigree.
I don't like this kind of dog's but everybody has a different taste of dog's.
I like the apbt bred like before!
the gotti line and rasor edge are not Pit bull's they mist have a different name because they gave a bad name on the real apbt
sincerely
R&B Kennel
http://www.freewebs.com/redblackpits/
"this is what i found on an other site"
DAVE WILSON is President of Razor's Edge and self-proclaimed founder of a breed of dog he calls "American Bullys." For many years, fanciers of the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier have suspected that these "short and wide" bully-type dogs from lines such as Razor's Edge have very likely been mixed with other breeds to produce heavy-weight, thick-boned, big-headed, stout dogs that are portrayed as American Pit Bull Terriers. Dave Wilson has admitted that the development of these "American Bullies" rose from mixing dogs of various breeds, yet many of these dogs still have UKC registration papers.
In a letter to a newspaper, Dave Wilson wrote, "The 'Back 2 the Bullies' convention to be held tomorrow...is not for the 'celebration of the pit bull' as you allege; it is for public awareness of the American Bully. This is a new breed created more than 15 years ago, and it is a separate breed from the 'pit bull.'
"We blended different breeds together to obtain certain desired traits. The American pit bull terrier was one of the breeds whose lineage is in the background of this breed, but it is by no means the only breed behind it.
"Even the part of the lineage that is American pit bull terrier stems from United Kennel Club-registered conformation show dogs! There is also an American Kennel Club-registered show breed in the lineage of this breed called the American Staffordshire terrier. Some breeders even included some bulldog lineage into their breeding. This breed has been established for over 10 years now."
We Responsible Dog Owners hereby petition the UKC to conduct a full investigation into the Razor's Edge line and, if appropriate, revoke the registration all dogs registered by Dave Wilson and all dogs with Razor's Edge dogs within the first three generations of their pedigree.
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Im trying to keep an open mind because I dont care where dogs come from I am only worried about where they end up. and as dog people, we will own a dog that is right for each individual person. some dont like a gotti or razors edge, some dont like the game bred.Red&BlackPitsKennel said:
Is dave wilson responsible for doing bad things to the breed? why are they such popular dogs? the top ten list on rmp is full of them.
I had springer spaniels before, Buster was off saightons blood line, field bred and the best natural bird dog Ive ever known. others were off nite winds, show bred. all are registered as english springer spaniel, yet completely different. so somebody clear this up for me. can there be game bred apbt and bully bred apbt registered as the same breed or not?
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