[Red&BlackPitsKennel]

For me it can't be possible!

Rasor and line like this are mixed with other breed like mastiff, ....
For make them big.
Give these dogs another name.
Don't call them pit bull's because they heva some insite ...


sincerely
Nic

 

[cane76]

Is dave wilson responsible for doing bad things to the breed?..:

What breed?the apbt,yes,he created a dog that was extreamly incorrect in temperment and standard and of mixed linage and still registered it as a apbt,obviously that aint right..

why are they such popular dogs? the top ten list on rmp is full of them...:

"rmp" is not a acurate represenitive of apbt community,it attracts a ceartin kind of enthusiest,basically the fan of the low,wide and blue..idividuals more interested in looks than history and function or even working ability.Hence the reason for rating a dogs worth souly on the looks of the dog

I had springer spaniels before, Buster was off saightons blood line, field bred and the best natural bird dog Ive ever known. others were off nite winds, show bred. all are registered as english springer spaniel, yet completely different....:

sure but was one actually cross bred with another breed,that is were the gotti/"re" argument begins and ends basically..

so somebody clear this up for me. can there be game bred apbt and bully bred apbt registered as the same breed or not?

i dont think so,since bullys are mostly amstaff and game dogs are pure bred apbt id say they are diffrent and should be registered as seperate breeds.probably the fans of bully dogs might agree..

 

[redog]

Thanks Keith, where does the akc and ukc stand on the issue? because it is up to them what happens here. isnt it?

 

[cane76]

Thanks Keith, where does the akc and ukc stand on the issue? because it is up to them what happens here. isnt it?

well the akc wont have anything to do with the apbt, and the ukc stays in buisness because of the blue duel registered bully pitbull.
I guess they'd rather register pit/staff crosses[yes i know the adba also registers pit/staff crosses] then suppport dogs from fighting linage even though they once sanctioned pitfights/provided ref's and had there own list of rules seprate to the cajun[sp] rules.god i sound like a hater and you know what,once somebody starts doing something with a gotti dog,starts putting titles on them in work and breeds responsably and ethicly ill say,"those dogs are pretty nice" but intill then ive got a issue with the owner/breeder sterotype related to the line and have gotten hung up on it.I mean [email protected]!,REMEBER BLUEBULL?
he had a giant beautiful grayline dog named diesel,he worked the dog and was educated on the breed and dogs in general,i love that dog,same with geisthexe,she has a "re" dog that is activly worked and is a knowledgable dog person in general.of course oldfort has that real old line of watchdog blood and does well with it,and ive come to really enjoy researching the line and the breeder of the line[he did alot of things,even for other breeds],it has a deep history im not sure the others have[besides the "re" line,whos history is deep in its own right].i dont know im rambling.
lets see more folks working these types insteed of breeding for physical deformitys and then profiting of the deformed dogs and peddling it as rare and also as the ultimate apbt,it clearly is not...

 

[Midwest Bully]

That Monster or BackYard Boogie dog is just pitiful lookin. I curse the person who calls that dog an APBT.

MARTY!!! Lilbit is still one of the best lookin APBTs i've seen yet!!! She's awesome! :woof:

 

[patnoet6989]

I agree todays Gottiline dogs are overdone but unless you were there for the breeding there is no proof that Neos are a part of the mix. To say AmStaff and Bulldog like its seperate from the APBT is funny because correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt it the Colby bred dogs that were some of the 1st Pits registered as AmStaffs. So if you trace the AmStaff lineage it eventually goes back to gamebred dogs. And wasnt it a mix of the old school bulldogs and certain Terriers that created the APBT?

This is My Dog Ferdinand and He is a Gottyline Dog that is super athletic and flexible. 18 inches tall 50 lbs. Amazing energy and drive! You can still find the athletic ones you just have to look. And some have that gameness too because they all go back to Colby and Ruffian dogs and Ruffian goes back to Tudors Black Jack 16 xw!!! But, I will say it is getting harder to find the nice ones. They're all fat and too bulky these days. What happened to the nice beautiful athletic Bullies that can keep up with a Pitbull? I remember a Bullypit in My neighborhood in the 90's that was a GR CH. But, they don't really make em like that nomore. I want to start a line of athletic game bred Bullies and bring back them healthy hard hitting Bulldogs.

 

[patnoet6989]

neos and mastiffs are part of the mix for sure,just look at the dogs,how does a pure bred apbt or staff give birth to dogs that have the same features of other breeds like neos,thick hanging flues and dewlaps,rear ends that are higher than the height at the shoulders,and massive dogs,drooling dogs?
Ever hear of iron cross kennels?o.g gray line blood[lol],dogs directly off gotti,dogs that are 140 pounds plus,and as tall as there owner standing on there hind quarters,they say they wont stop intill they get 150 pd dogs,and guess what,no pure bred amstaff or apbt ever gets that big,ever,not from line breeding,not from inbreeding only from paper hanging and outcrossing,it happens all the time,you dont believe it then fine,choose to live in the dark its your desision....also,then amstaff was registered by the akc in 1936 i believe,70 years down the line and breeding just for show and head size has created a diffrent breed,they are not apbts no matter how many times there duel registered,also the bulldog used to create the apbt is not the english bulldog of nowadays used to enrich "re"and gotti lines and most the blue low rider stuff.basically the modern bulldog is a cripple with a lot of heart,it wants to be athletic and energetic but has been bred to such a state it just cant,its actually a pug cross from the late 1800's,sounds strange but its true....

They also used Dogue De Bourdeaux in the American Bully too sometimes which is basically a giant Bulldog. I believe all these dogs are offshoots of the old Bullenbeisser or Bull-biter which had 2 different sizes a bigger one for guardian/hunting and a smaller one for Bull baiting and Pit fighting. And they cropped their ears and they looked alot like the American Bully. I think We just rediscovered them through breeding and renamed them because the similarities are crazy coincidental. But, all these Bulldog breeds come from the Bullenbeisser and they said it was the most fiercest amazing dog to ever exist. They named it the best dog in the world in like the 1860's give or take a few years. Everyone loved these dogs and alot of what I've read up on them and seen pictures of them. They remind me of the American Bully so much I think We pretty much brought them back minus the viscousness but I'm sure that can be brought back if you work them. I mean My Bully is an animal. Chews through tires and what not. Bite is insane. And, He has an amazing nose so I can deff get him to track, just got to see if He will actually hunt. He won't stand down to any Dog either. So, I got a good one. But, they have put alot of different breeds into these bullies. I've heard all types of stuff in them. Dogo's and everything.