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I just recently found out that my new dog is RE (Razors Edge). I found the former owner and had him sign my ADBA certificate. He actually lives like a mile away so it turner out good. Back to the reason for posting. I know everyone labels RE dogs bullies, but after doing research at RAZORS EDGE / BOW WOW - OFFICIAL WEBSITE

They say NO OTHER BREED was used to create this line. I have always imagined bullies as the little ugly bulldog/pitbull looking dogs, but again after doing research I found that there are a few. Like the ugly small overdone ones, then some that look nothing like that. Like The Notorious Juan Gotti and my RE dog http://www.gopitbull.com/pictures/36060-my-new-boy.html

If the RE founders say no other breeds were used for this line how can they be bullies aside from all the other crap that other people are introducing to the line? Which if its not the RE ppl it shouldnt be RE, right?

Now I dont want ppl in here fighting. Thats all that happens in these types of threads. Thats why I wanted to make a new one because going through the old ones everyone just argues and gives di<% head opinions.

But what exactly makes the RE a bully? Or is it just opinions. What exactly is the bully standard? If its those lil small sloppy freaks my dog is not a Bully by standard. He is almost perfect to me, just on tall side. I thought bullys were short.
 

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I think American Bully breeders can't even decide on how the dogs should look that is why they have made 4 size classes, pocket, classic, standard and XL.

Dave Wilson may not have added any thing else to his RE dogs, but I do believe that a lot of people did, Ironcross kennels was one that was caught for it, so you can bet that there are more out there. It may not have been the original intention of the creator, but the creator can not control the mass of backyard breeders out there.

I have also read that it is heavily speculated that the Juan Gotti dog was mixed.

But this is just my opinion, gathered from what I have read on the interwebs. And from what my eyes tell me to believe when I see pics of an extreme mutant dog that supposedly has no other breeds in it. And I'm sure there are still Ambully lines that did remain true to just being APBT and Amstaff. But I think they run more along the lines of the classic bullies.
 

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Another question is why are American Bully owners so concerned about their dog's having mixed in breeds or not, they are their own breed of dog now, they are not APBT. If the owner wants an APBT, they should get one of them instead.
 

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Dave Wilson may not have added any thing else to his RE dogs, but I do believe that a lot of people did, Ironcross kennels was one that was caught for it, so you can bet that there are more out there. It may not have been the original intention of the creator, but the creator can not control the mass of backyard breeders out there.
Then why not just exclude those dogs not all RE
 

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Then why not just exclude those dogs not all RE
Because many of them have RE dogs in their pedigrees. And you have to go by what the ped says, unless you do some extensive DNA work. Which can be come impossible if the dogs in the older generations are dead and were never DNA tested. People many times hung papers on dogs. Saying that this dog was the sire of the litter that is registered, when really the sire was another breed or another dog within the breed.
 

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Another question is why are American Bully owners so concerned about their dog's having mixed in breeds or not, they are their own breed of dog now, they are not APBT. If the owner wants an APBT, they should get one of them instead.
BC the majority of people who have them dont want them once they know the difference. Everyone is mislead by them being called APBT. JMO
 
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Because many of them have RE dogs in their pedigrees. And you have to go by what the ped says, unless you do some extensive DNA work. Which can be come impossible if the dogs in the older generations are dead and were never DNA tested. People many times hung papers on dogs. Saying that this dog was the sire of the litter that is registered, when really the sire was another breed or another dog within the breed.
Makes sense. Yea people still do and always will hang papers
 

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BC the majority of people who have them dont want them once they know the difference. Everyone is mislead by them being called APBT. JMO
This is a sad truth. But, Buyer Beware! People need to do more research on what they want before going out and putting money down on a dog. If the dog was a rescue or was gotten for free, I don't think people mind as much since they didn't know what they were getting into. But you are right, there are a lot of websites advertising their dogs as APBT, and I am not sure they even know the difference. They just like making that money.
 

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there are a lot of websites advertising their dogs as APBT, and I am not sure they even know the difference. They just like making that money.
lol yeah Ill sign up on sites and argue with some of the people. Makes me sick
 

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All i really have to say is 1. RE, Gotti and any other American Bully bloodlines are not APBT. No matter how great they look like at the end of the day they are American Bullies. 2. You can not get pockets, xl, xxl, classic and standard bullies all from the same two breeds. Something else HAS to be mixed in theres too many extremes from all these bullies being created from an Amstaff/APBT. It doesnt work that way. Some will argue selective breeding some will also argue dwarfism but neither can explain this many extremes to the magnitude of which they are. I have seen pictures of bullies next to english bulldogs and the ONLY difference was the head appearance.
 

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LMAO! Dwarfism? Really? And how many instances did we have of that occurring solely in APBT's before the bully creation. People will say anything.
 

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Yep, i had an argument with this guy who had a horrible looking xl pocket (or whatever) and he was trying to tell me it was rarer because of the dwarfism. which at that point i had to walk away because i was so dumbfounded i didnt even know how to respond. lol
 

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When it comes to RE IMO no they did not start as American Bullies the original dogs were APBT ( or Amstaffs) and labeled RE however not bred by Dave, however you can clearly see within a generation where they took 2 standard dogs and all of a sudden you have a complete structure change and you can see where mixing began. It was not a slow steady process. Look at the pedigree and look at the dogs.
 

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Im getting his pedigree to find out about mine. As mentioned above I just got the signature and got the dog kinda spur of the moment.


Does anyone have pics of the old school RE? I have tried looking, but you know how ppl call their dogs anything
 

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There is a thread somewhere in the Bullies 101 section of the foundation dogs. Which I find some to be questionable. Ok Holly got it above me.
 

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The first dogs in that thread are many generations back. However RE moved from a typical UKC show dog or Amstaff dog and then after a couple years began the bully movement at which time you can see where the dogs went from UKC type dogs to your now a days bullies in only 1-3 generations. In those generations not only can you see obvious mixing, but usually the mixed in breed itself is identifiable.
 

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The first dogs in that thread are many generations back. However RE moved from a typical UKC show dog or Amstaff dog and then after a couple years began the bully movement at which time you can see where the dogs went from UKC type dogs to your now a days bullies in only 1-3 generations. In those generations not only can you see obvious mixing, but usually the mixed in breed itself is identifiable.
Do you think the classic bullies are the ones with nothing mixed in?
 

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Do you think the classic bullies are the ones with nothing mixed in?
A well bred classic is the only American Bully i can respect.. No offense to anyone.
 
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