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Officials in Saginaw, Michigan are considering a proposal that would regulate the ownership of several breeds, including:

Pit bulls,
Rottweilers,
German Shepherds,
Huskies,
Alaskan Malamutes,
Doberman Pinschers,
Chow Chows,
Great Danes,
St. Bernards, and
Presa Canarios.

Please send your POLITE, RESPECTFUL and INFORMATIVE opposition to breed specific legislation to the Saginaw officials listed below. Please also include viable alternatives and suggestions for their consideration.

City council members could review the new rules at the Feb. 21 meeting and enact them by April 1.

City of Saginaw

City Hall
1315 S. Washington Ave.
Saginaw, MI 48601
Phone: (989) 759-1400
Fax: (989) 759-1607

Greg Branch
Mayor
Term Expires: 2013
Email: [email protected]

Amos O'Neal
Mayor Pro-Tem
Term Expires: 2011
Email: [email protected]

Dennis Browning
Council Member
Term Expires: 2013
Email: [email protected]

Dan Fitzpatrick
Council Member
Term Expires: 2011
Email: [email protected]
[email protected]

Larry Coulouris
Council Member
Term Expires: 2013
Email: [email protected]

Amanda Kitterman-Miller
Council Member
Term Expires: 2011
Email: [email protected]

Dr. William "Bill" Scharffe
Council Member
Term Expires: 2011
Email: [email protected]

Paul Virciglio
Council Member
Term Expires: 2011
Email: [email protected]

Andrew Wendt
Council Member
Term Expires: 2013
Email: [email protected]

Saginaw crafts 'dangerous dogs' ordinance including pit bulls
Published: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 4:06 AM

SAGINAW - Dog owners may be restricted to no more than three pet pooches, buy licenses for them and face fines if they don't register dogs that are on Saginaw's list of the most dangerous canines.

The Saginaw City Council in the coming weeks likely will vote on the "dangerous dogs" ordinance that's been in the works since August. Council members could review the new rules Feb. 21 meeting and enact them by April 1.

"I imagine this will be controversial," City Clerk Diane Herman said.

Continued reports of maulings - including this month's pit bull attack on 8-year-old Bay City boy Cameron P. Everette, who needed 100 stitches - "keeps telling us more and more that we have to have it in place," Herman said.

A Saginaw committee organized by Mayor Greg Branch continues to debate which breeds to list.

The proposal
Today, city residents pay $12 per year to license spayed and neutered dogs and $25 for dogs that are not fixed to the Saginaw County Animal Care Center. Those 60 and older pay $5 for spayed and neutered dogs.

Under the proposal, owners of animals on the dangerous-dogs list also would have to pay a $50 one-time permit fee at City Hall or face to civil infraction fines set by a judge.

The breeds in the preliminary proposal are on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's 10 most dangerous dogs list. The list includes pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan Malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chow chows, great Danes, St. Bernards and presa canarios.

The proposal also would require owners of listed dogs to attach a city-issued sign indicating the dog's presence near a home's entrance or doghouse and, when walking the animal, to fit a muzzle over the dog's mouth.

Members of the Saginaw Code Enforcement Neighborhood Improvement Cooperative would enforce the ordinance, treating violations the same way they would a junk car on a person's front yard or garbage strewn across a lawn.

First, the agents would issue a warning.

Continued noncompliance could result in an initial $100 fine, $200 on the next day and $400 for additional infractions.

The council also could adopt lower fines for owners with more than three dogs. Noncompliance could result in a $50 fine the first time, $100 on the next day and $150 for additional infractions.

Herman said the proposal's early draft does not include a clause exempting residents who already own more than three dogs.

"If somebody has had that number of dogs for years, I don't know what happens," the clerk said. "You'd hate to have somebody have to get rid of a dog they've had for 20 years. These (plans) haven't been finalized, though."

When the council introduces the ordinance, bylaws rule the council must wait at least two weeks before voting.

While there will be no public hearings, Herman said citizens can sign up to speak in front of the council to voice concerns or show support.

'Badge of honor'
Councilman Daniel Fitzpatrick, who serves on the ordinance committee, agrees the proposal likely will draw fire from dog advocates who argue certain breeds are dangerous because of a poor environment and not on their own merits.

Fitzpatrick said the proposal could draw the sort of outcry the council heard in December 2009 when it considered a six-month freeze on medical marijuana use, growth and distribution. About 30 protesters attended one council meeting. Less than a month later, the city backed off the effort.

Fitzpatrick said the dangerous dog initiative becomes more pressing as the number of dog attacks climbs.

He cited the March 2009 pit bull attack on Duane E. VanLanHam of Buena Vista Township, who lost extremities and continues to recover after saving a neighbor from a pack of pit bulls, as another important push for change.

"In our particular area, these dogs are a badge of honor to a lot of the people who own them," Fitzpatrick said. "It's unfortunate that we have to come to this, but it's gotten so bad that we have so many irresponsible owners."

He pointed out the proposal isn't as severe as other communities' laws outlawing certain breeds.

Fitzpatrick said the committee studied other dog ordinances. There are aspects of laws in Jackson, Farmington Hills, Denver and Toledo woven through Saginaw's proposal.

Animal Care Center Director Valerie McCullough, who also served on the ordinance committee, hopes the law passes and impacts what she considers a growing threat in the city.

"You're going to have people who are for it and against it," she said. "For everybody's safety, something does need to be put in place."

Fitzpatrick said the ordinance also is aimed at protecting other animals.

The councilman said, in visiting with neighborhood watch groups, he's heard stories of pet owners walking their dogs when larger, loose dogs attack and sometimes kill the smaller animals.

Pit bullying
Pit bulls in particular pose problems in Saginaw, McCullough said.

Of the 945 dogs euthanized at the Animal Care Center in 2009, McCullough estimated more than half were pit bulls. The center euthanizes all captured pit bull breeds not claimed by owners.

McCullough replaced Mark Wachner, who retired in June 2008. Wachner, before leaving Saginaw, became such so knowledgeable about pit bulls that he often served as an expert witness in court cases across the state.

Wachner said the Animal Care Center's kennels contained about 10 percent pit bulls when he arrived in 1985. That figure increased to 75 percent by the time he left.

"That probably is your most common breed in Saginaw County," McCullough said. "Most of the complaints we receive come from inside the city."

The committee also featured members from groups often exposed to "dangerous" breeds, including the U.S. Postal Service, AT&T and Consumers Energy.

"Our employees are out in the field all the time, working on gas and electric lines and reading meters," said Tom Begin, a Consumers Energy spokesman and committee member. "We've always been concerned about dogs and the dangers they pose. We wanted to do something to make our employees more safe, so I jumped at this chance."

Begin said the company does not keep statistics on the number of dog attacks or threats its employees endure but said the "largest concentration" of incidents is within city limits.

"Our objective is that we don't have to start keeping statistics," he said.

Saginaw crafts 'dangerous dogs' ordinance including pit bulls; measure could fine owners, oust pets from animal-heavy homes | MLive.com
 

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Check out this reply I got from a Saginaw City Councilman!!

(Note: I don't live in Saginaw, but thought it was best to email letters to the council(wo)men, anyway.)

Dear Interested Citizen:

This is in reply your email expressing your opinion regarding the pending Dangerous Dogs Ordinance that the Saginaw City Council will be considering in the near future. Due to the number of emails received, I have adopted this response to any persons who seem opposed to the ordinance.

First, if you are not actually a resident of the City of Saginaw I can assure you that your opinion will carry absolutely no weight with me as I consider my vote on the ordinance. If that is the case, you may wish to stop reading at this point and save yourself the bother of being told that your opinion, to which you are certainly entitled, is consider by me to be wrong, misguided, and selfish (meaning you care more for your "rights" to own a dangerous animal than you do for the citizens who face the real threat that your animal presents) and that your opinion does not represent a citizen of the City of Saginaw, Michigan - the only citizens that will possibly be affected by the ordinance if passed. In addition, the ordinance is "breed specific" only insofar as it names the 10 most dangerous dogs in the United States and does NOT prohibit ownership or possession of any of those breeds.

If you ARE a citizen of the City of Saginaw, Michigan, who opposes the ordinance, all I can tell you is that I, as a Saginaw City Councilman pledged to uphold the interests of the general population, will be voting in favor of the ordinance. Your disagreement with my position is your right. Your opposition is respected as part of the deliberative process, but will not dissuade me from promoting the ordinance. I have spent months studying the problem, reading the literature, reading the studies, researching other ordinances in other cities in Michigan and elsewhere. The overwhelming preponderance of evidence nationally as well as locally points to a definite need for the ordinance at issue.

Sincerely,

Dr. Bill Scharffe
Professional Grandfather, very UNPROFESSIONAL Golfer
(And Saginaw City Councilman)
2812 Adams Blvd.
Saginaw, MI 48602-3103
989-793-7079

I call BS.
 

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Make sure you reply to them and tell them:

"While I may NOT live in the city of Saginaw, nothing stops me right now from spending my money in your city. While I may not pay city taxes, I provide the people of Saginaw money to pay your taxes by spending money in your city as I may or may not pass through. As a citizen of Michigan who pays state taxes I do have a say in what happens in my state. Who know if I may have to move to your city some day in the future... "

Then go into more details about closed mindedness, facts and such.

Your a Michigan Citizen. You have every right to say what happens in the cities in your state.
 

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It's always worth a chance.

He thinks he knows everything, so make sure to provide facts such as financial impact, Dog ordinances that work like Calgary's, the ADA fight with Dallas, and their studies.

While it may fall of deaf ears, you may point out something that he didn't think of.

Best Friends Breed Discriminatory Legislation Fiscal Impact - Best Friends Network

Animals Impacted by Breed Discriminatory Legislation in Saginaw Michigan
Estimated Number of Dogs 16,120
Estimated Number of Pit Bull type Dogs 1,120
Costs Associated With Breed Discriminatory Legislation
Enforcement $ 54,510
Kenneling and Veterinary Care $ 16,180
Euthanizing and Disposal $ 11,610
Litigation Costs $ 1,270
DNA Testing $ 9,980
Total Estimated Annual Cost $ 93,550

Actual costs to the citizens of the community will
be higher as these estimates do not include:
• Shelter veterinarian if not already onsite;
• Increased enforcement staffing;
• Capital costs associated with increased shelter
space

Just to add in this is for Pit Bull banning alone, not to add in other breeds. How much it would cost would greatly increase with every breed added.
 

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Great! I sent him another reply back and haven't heard anything yet.

I think he thought he was being 'cute', which is really idiotic with a subject like BSL which personally affects many dog owners.
 

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OMG Kate, I can't beleive he sent that to you, he said he didn't care about anyone's opinion whether you be a citizen of Saginaw or not, what a jerk. This guy should not be in office ifthat is what he thinks. Grrrrr, let me know if you hear anything. Props for that.

Thank you Cindy for helping.
 

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Saginaw, MI: Council to discuss proposed BSL, May 9

Saginaw, MI: Council to discuss proposed BSL, May 9

Posted on May 8, 2011 by stopbslcom| Leave a comment
Saginaw city council will once again discuss proposed BSL at the May 9 council meeting. The proposed BSL would restrict ownership of five breeds. According to the badly written ordinance, the five breeds to be restricted are to be determined annually by an unknown entity using a vague and poorly defined data set. This year's "top five breed list" consists of "pit bull" (not a breed), Bull Mastiff / Presa Canario (two different breeds counted as one), Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Alaskan Malamute, and all mixed breed dogs that resemble one of these breeds.
Residents may comment during the city council meeting, and are encouraged to do so. The council meeting takes place on May 9, 6:30 PM, in City Council Chambers, City Hall. If you wish to speak at the council meeting, please fill out and email this form by 1 PM on May 9.
City of Saginaw City Hall, 1315 S. Washington Ave., Saginaw, MI 48601
Phone: (989) 759-1400
Fax: (989) 759-1607

Mayor Greg Branch, [email protected]
Amos O'Neal, [email protected]
Dennis Browning, [email protected]
Dan Fitzpatrick, [email protected] or [email protected]
Larry Coulouris, [email protected]
Amanda Kitterman-Miller, [email protected]
Dr. William "Bill" Scharffe, [email protected]
Paul Virciglio, [email protected]
Andrew Wendt, [email protected]

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I figured I should post since I live in the city next to Saginaw. I live in bay city where the 8 year old boy was bit.. I agree on the 3 dog restriction, Saginaw is WAY over populated by dogs and all the incidents that you hear about in Saginaw is loose dogs. I think they should make a law where animals have to be leashed or chained... I am sure they have that law already but they really need to enforce it, unfortunately they need to enforce it in bay city too. I can deal with paying the extra fee but I do not agree with the sign in the yard and the muzzle use but then again at least I can own my dog still versus other harsh measures. It sucks that BSL is creeping in but even I cannot deny that something needs to be done. Unfortunately Saginaw is a poor town and has a lot of crime, for christ sakes they have a radar that detect gun fire and pin points the locations (just to give you an idea on how bad it is). Again to re-cap I am apposed to this and am not looking forward to it because my city is next.
 
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