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My neighbor has about 8 adult dogs and i have posted about them before,but anyways his female "pitbull" is short and has floppy ears , now not saying shes not pure but to me she dont look it , then he has a def. purebred male with papers i think .... they tried to sale the pups for 300 then down to 100 now he tried to give me one for free , my question is can the dad have papers and the mom but not the pups ? He told me when i asked if they had papers that it would cost too much to get them, it just dosent add up to me ?


Although i want one i have my hands full with mine already so i wont be getting one but i just thought someone coul answer it for me ?
 

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My neighbor has about 8 adult dogs and i have posted about them before,but anyways his female "pitbull" is short and has floppy ears , now not saying shes not pure but to me she dont look it , then he has a def. purebred male with papers i think .... they tried to sale the pups for 300 then down to 100 now he tried to give me one for free , my question is can the dad have papers and the mom but not the pups ? He told me when i asked if they had papers that it would cost too much to get them, it just dosent add up to me ?

Although i want one i have my hands full with mine already so i wont be getting one but i just thought someone coul answer it for me ?
Yes he is just not registering the entire litter himself he would have to pay to register the litter if he doesn't want to do it he doesn't have to and the people buying them would just send off a single registration application with the registry that the parents are registered with in order to do this you will need both their registration numbers off their certificates a seller receipt and the seller must fill out the seller portion on the application which would be the dam and sire names and their numbers the date the pup was born and if he has the names of the dogs in the first 4 generations he would fill those in and he would need to sign the application and then you would have to fill in your info as the buyer before you mail it off. I would ask to see the certificate papers on both parents to verify their names and registration numbers if they are registered he should have this information on hand even if he has never sent off for their pedigree. If he doesn't he is lying and I wouldn't take a pup from him if you have plans on showing, breeding, or wanting to do anything else with the dog in the future.
 

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it costs us $20 to register a litter , its BS when they say it cost to much. If the pups arent papered they are mutts as far as that goes , if they are pure ask to see the parents papers.
 

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Angel some breeders do not want to register litters but you can still do a single registration on those pups if you have the seller complete the info on the parents and you have their numbers. I did this with AVA Marty never registered AVA or her brother but when I got her I was able to register doing a single registration with the ADBA But I had all the parents info and Marty's signature verifying she was off the parents that were already registered. Not everyone registers their dogs or litters even if they can just an FYI. Especially with game bred dogs some guys do not like to keep paper trails. I am not saying that is the case here I can only speak from my own experience.
 

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Yeah thats why i think hes lying they are just trying to get rid of them they have about 40 cats and was 8 dogs but idk anyways, the mom does have papers sometimes when you ask and sometimes they dont lol i think thats bs,either they do or dont . Also can a pitbull thats purebred be black with some brown ? I have only seen one pup but thats what he described and that one is blue and black ?
 

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Yeah thats why i think hes lying they are just trying to get rid of them they have about 40 cats and was 8 dogs but idk anyways, the mom does have papers sometimes when you ask and sometimes they dont lol i think thats bs,either they do or dont . Also can a pitbull thats purebred be black with some brown ? I have only seen one pup but thats what he described and that one is blue and black ?
Ask him to show you the registration certificates or pedigrees on both dogs if he can't produce them then he's lying. That is how you solve that problem. As for for the color your describing it sounds more like seal the coat appears black indoors but in the sunlight it gives off red or brown undertones that color is known as seal.
 

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Yes he is just not registering the entire litter himself he would have to pay to register the litter if he doesn't want to do it he doesn't have to and the people buying them would just send off a single registration application with the registry that the parents are registered with in order to do this you will need both their registration numbers off their certificates a seller receipt and the seller must fill out the seller portion on the application which would be the dam and sire names and their numbers the date the pup was born and if he has the names of the dogs in the first 4 generations he would fill those in and he would need to sign the application and then you would have to fill in your info as the buyer before you mail it off. I would ask to see the certificate papers on both parents to verify their names and registration numbers if they are registered he should have this information on hand even if he has never sent off for their pedigree. If he doesn't he is lying and I wouldn't take a pup from him if you have plans on showing, breeding, or wanting to do anything else with the dog in the future.
Yeah if i only had 2 dogs id love to have one with papers,but i wouldnt get one from him without proof , although hes breeding again(like always) hes a BYB ... next time shes in heat so i MIGHT get one then if i have the proper funds for care,etc . and if theyre papered and the person wanting my little beagle pup takes him then i will only have 2 dogs :hammer: not saying naything soon maybe like next year .
 

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Ask him to show you the registration certificates or pedigrees on both dogs if he can't produce them then he's lying. That is how you solve that problem. As for for the color your describing it sounds more like seal the coat appears black indoors but in the sunlight it gives off red or brown undertones that color is known as seal.
Oh okay , and can HA and DA aggression be passed on from the parrents ?
 

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Well he does not sound like an ethical breeder if it was me I would pass. But I do know you can still register a pup without the entire litter being registered the way I told you yes people do it but if you don't trust your breeder than you shouldn't buy anything from him.
 

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Oh okay , and can HA and DA aggression be passed on from the parrents ?
Absolutely you should expect DA if they are APBT's it's already been in the gene pools for many years but HA is not normal in our breed if one of the parents are HA yes it most certainly can be passed to the offspring. You do not want an HA apbt bad news.
 

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Well he does not sound like an ethical breeder if it was me I would pass. But I do know you can still register a pup without the entire litter being registered the way I told you yes people do it but if you don't trust your breeder than you shouldn't buy anything from him.
Oh well i know nothing at all about genetics so can HA and DA be passed form parrents ? Sorry if thats a dumb question but i have no idea and if so then theres no way because the father will eat a person up, he even attacked the man and was ordered to be put down but they never did .

I couldnt get one right now if i wanted to , but when the time comes to get a pup im gonna find someone else .
 

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Thanks everyone ! I wasnt for sure on the whole aggression thing , i will NOT take one , i appreciate the advise . The fact tey was free threw me off right away .
 
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Oh well i know nothing at all about genetics so can HA and DA be passed form parrents ? Sorry if thats a dumb question but i have no idea and if so then theres no way because the father will eat a person up, he even attacked the man and was ordered to be put down but they never did .

I couldnt get one right now if i wanted to , but when the time comes to get a pup im gonna find someone else .
No not a dumb question that is what we are here for... Yes HA & DA can both be passed on from parent to offspring. It's completely normal for the APBT to show signs of DA at some point because of their history of dog fighting they have been selectively bred for DA and it's carried on in the gene pools. Now HA is not a normal trait for these dogs and should not be in the gene pools if you know that a breeder is breeding dogs with HA tendencies you do not want to buy a dog from him or her. HA is a serious flaw in our breed they are not guard dogs and were never bred to be aggressive towards humans. If a breeder is breeding an HA dog then it's very likely that will be passed off to some if not all of the offspring.
 

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Angel some breeders do not want to register litters but you can still do a single registration on those pups if you have the seller complete the info on the parents and you have their numbers. I did this with AVA Marty never registered AVA or her brother but when I got her I was able to register doing a single registration with the ADBA But I had all the parents info and Marty's signature verifying she was off the parents that were already registered. Not everyone registers their dogs or litters even if they can just an FYI. Especially with game bred dogs some guys do not like to keep paper trails. I am not saying that is the case here I can only speak from my own experience.
ya I know that but with the sounds of it this guy is BS'n , saying it cost too much is a cop out . if anything he could say they are pure and atleast show the papers, sounds fishy though. most that are legit and have pure dogs but choose not to register them can tell you anything about the lines and know it like the back of there hand and atleast have something even if only in writing to show the lineage.
 

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ya I know that but with the sounds of it this guy is BS'n , saying it cost too much is a cop out . if anything he could say they are pure and atleast show the papers, sounds fishy though. most that are legit and have pure dogs but choose not to register them can tell you anything about the lines and know it like the back of there hand and atleast have something even if only in writing to show the lineage.
I agree that's why I told her to ask the guy to show her the registration papers or pedigree's sent from the registry on both dogs to verify if what he is saying is in fact true if he can't produce anything he's lying. I don't advise she get a dog from the guy but I am just letting her know it can be done if you have all the info I listed above.
 

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No not a dumb question that is what we are here for... Yes HA & DA can both be passed on from parent to offspring. It's completely normal for the APBT to show signs of DA at some point because of their history of dog fighting they have been selectively bred for DA and it's carried on in the gene pools. Now HA is not a normal trait for these dogs and should not be in the gene pools if you know that a breeder is breeding dogs with HA tendencies you do not want to buy a dog from him or her. HA is a serious flaw in our breed they are not guard dogs and were never bred to be aggressive towards humans. If a breeder is breeding an HA dog then it's very likely that will be passed off to some if not all of the offspring.
Okay i will def. pass . I cant even go near the fence or i would get ate , i have to stand there until the dog drives him nuts and then he will come out the gate and scream til they hush ,it got loose one day and i fell in the snow trying to run it off and it snaped at me and has attacked my dogs idk how many times , i hate to say it but it needs put down . :confused:
 

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I agree that's why I told her to ask the guy to show her the registration papers or pedigree's sent from the registry on both dogs to verify if what he is saying is in fact true if he can't produce anything he's lying. I don't advise she get a dog from the guy but I am just letting her know it can be done if you have all the info I listed above.
Yeah he just dosent wanna admit there mixed so he said that cause he thinks i know nothing ,he told me i had a rednose pit and his wife told me they paid 500 for the mom and that she was blue nose mix or something ? Idk if thats possible but i dont think so
 

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Okay i will def. pass . I cant even go near the fence or i would get ate , i have to stand there until the dog drives him nuts and then he will come out the gate and scream til they hush ,it got loose one day and i fell in the snow trying to run it off and it snaped at me and has attacked my dogs idk how many times , i hate to say it but it needs put down . :confused:
You are correct normally when an APBT shows signs of human aggression the dog should be put down ASAP! Not bred it's a shame he bred the dog because the pups will most likely be HA too. It's normal for them to want to kill other dogs but they should not be trying to kill people. That's why when you have DA dogs you should contain them properly or give them to someone who can.
 

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its BS when they say it cost to much. If the pups arent papered they are mutts as far as that goes , if they are pure ask to see the parents papers.
WOW, LMAO. Just cuz there not "papered" , doesnt mean there mutts...lol Look @ those bullies with papers , listed as APBT... I guess there "pure" then, according to you...lol

@ the original poster, i would not worry too much about your neighbor and how he tries to do his business. If your intersted, then go for it, if not . let it be and considering rescuing one frm a shelter. Either way good luck .
 
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