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NOT in the USA please... these are dogs that are bred for HA and PP... BUT THEY LOOK LIKE WORKING PIT BULLS.. this is a problem if ... and WHEN they bite someone.. JMO..

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standard size for a APBT by the way is 30-45 for gyps and 30-55 for males...
 

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there to small to be mistaken for a pitbull

these dogs do not look like working apbts. there 20 to 25 pounds and are 10 to 14 inches. i have never ever Seen a working pit that small. plus there not going to get very popular. so i dont think anyone will ever be bit by one. i know you dont want them here because they look like pits and you dont want them messing up the pitbulls already bad name. but there are lots of other breeds that look like pitbulls that are HA. i dont think this tiny dog will be mistaken for a pitbull. more like a not ugly english bull dog
 

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these dogs do not look like working apbts. there 20 to 25 pounds and are 10 to 14 inches. i have never ever Seen a working pit that small. plus there not going to get very popular. so i dont think anyone will ever be bit by one. i know you dont want them here because they look like pits and you dont want them messing up the pitbulls already bad name. but there are lots of other breeds that look like pitbulls that are HA. i dont think this tiny dog will be mistaken for a pitbull. more like a not ugly english bull dog
CH BUmpy from hardhitting kennels, matter a fact all the dogs from hardhitting kennels NOW IN THE PHILLIPINES were under 30lbs ... and more fire than anyone who loves these APBTs was ready to handle.

The best APBTs are 27-35lbs .. bar none~ Colby's Galtie was under 30lbs and said to be one of the best bred dogs ever...

its all the dogs that look like pit bulls giving pit bulls bad a bad rep.. along with ingnorant breeding practices and self accountability... These dogs have for sure bit someone they werent supposed to and I bet it was marked as a Pit Bull attack...

Its a bull breed .. more than welcome.. to GoPitBull.com :pup:

What Im saying is this breed of dogs in the USA is not useful to pro advocates of APBT ... because without DNA testing your not going to convince anyone this dog is not an APBT when it lights into someone its not supposed to.. AND IT WILL HAPPEN IF NOT ALREADY.

Your right; I was the Dr. Death at the SPCA for a while and many American bulldogs came in as pit bulls so did a couple of bandogs .. when the owner signed them out .. they signed them out as a pit bull.. so not to damage the breed name really causing the damage.

irony~

That being said... Those do look like great PP dogs.. I like small dogs my APBTs are 35lbs, and I keep that standard.. I have seen rat terrier /Apbt mixes that are 18lbs pit bulls virtually as the terrier blends perfectly with APBT blood.
 

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South American Piranha Dog. Worlds smallest protection dog. 20-25 pounds of muscle. Bred as a child companion dog. (see more of them by clicking on (more dogs) at top of this page. Also, see their video on the home page link.

right from the horses mouth~

This just looks like HA APBT.. very dangerous to an unaccountable person.. I just promote that if / when the dog bites someone its not supposed to; the owner says its a Pirahna dog from south america, and provides links or litterature better yet a pedigree..

Working dogs are working dogs .. best man stoppers are 27lbs APBTs ... apparently Steve's Ch Bullsht was very HA towards stangers..

COOL DOGS none the less.. still what they look like is what Im raising issue with.. I've put down to many dogs that were "pitbulls" and were not.
 

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CH BUmpy from hardhitting kennels, matter a fact all the dogs from hardhitting kennels NOW IN THE PHILLIPINES were under 30lbs ... and more fire than anyone who loves these APBTs was ready to handle.

The best APBTs are 27-35lbs .. bar none~ Colby's Galtie was under 30lbs and said to be one of the best bred dogs ever...

its all the dogs that look like pit bulls giving pit bulls bad a bad rep.. along with ingnorant breeding practices and self accountability... These dogs have for sure bit someone they werent supposed to and I bet it was marked as a Pit Bull attack...

Its a bull breed .. more than welcome.. to GoPitBull.com :pup:

What Im saying is this breed of dogs in the USA is not useful to pro advocates of APBT ... because without DNA testing your not going to convince anyone this dog is not an APBT when it lights into someone its not supposed to.. AND IT WILL HAPPEN IF NOT ALREADY.

Your right; I was the Dr. Death at the SPCA for a while and many American bulldogs came in as pit bulls so did a couple of bandogs .. when the owner signed them out .. they signed them out as a pit bull.. so not to damage the breed name really causing the damage.

irony~

That being said... Those do look like great PP dogs.. I like small dogs my APBTs are 35lbs, and I keep that standard.. I have seen rat terrier /Apbt mixes that are 18lbs pit bulls virtually as the terrier blends perfectly with APBT blood.
:goodpost: A properly bred working APBT in my opinion shouldn't exceed 40lbs, for me the best examples of the breed are 30 - 40lbs and are small explosions.

The "piranha" dog in my opinion doesn't really have a "perfect" place. Advertised as a PP dog, may excel well i have no doubt but what market is there for a PP dog that small? Even though they may do very well i dont think i'd feel comfortable with a 25lbs dog doing that kind of work. To me a "small" protection dog would be in the neighborhood of 50 - 60 pounds. No matter the drive or ability 25 pounds would be limited to some degree. You don't need a 160 pound "man stopper" but i also don't think you need a 25 pound bullet either.

As an over excelling worker though, like the APBT, i can see those doing well but not bred with those traits.
 
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plus there not going to get very popular. so i dont think anyone will ever be bit by one. i know you dont want them here because they look like pits and you dont want them messing up the pitbulls already bad name. but there are lots of other breeds that look like pitbulls that are HA. i dont think this tiny dog will be mistaken for a pitbull. more like a not ugly english bull dog
if people are breeding them theres a market, "bob" is in southern california probably not more than 10-20 miles from me 213 is down town L.A. so i can almost garuntee that there are people in la that want these dogs and there are people in la that got bit by these little man biters. to the public if it looks any where near enough to what a pit bull should/would look like it a pit bull.



12-24 inches at the shoulders.... this dog can range from a mini pit lookin dog to the size of a regular pit bull, these dogs WILL get confuse for a apbt if they havent already.

anyways the dog isnt the problem unless it is ha, the problems usually the owner

also sorry about the huge image, didnt think it was that big, but still interesting info i guess.
 
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i agree with what you said about them not really being big enough to be pp dogs. i really just want one as a pet. if i were to get a pp dog id get an american bandog mastiff. one that has more pit look or a canis panther. theres not many breeders so theres not a hole lot to choose from as far as looks go. but man are they powerful. 130 pound dog running at you at 40 miles an hour that will surely knock you down. but no dog can match a pitbull tenacity when it comes pp.
 

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i mean i get the thing the guy says about the dog bieng a sleeper and people dont think its that powerful. so i think it would be a good pp dog for kids. its little its tough so it can take a kid beating up on it. what i dont like is these dogs end up in the wrong hands. like some lugs that think they look cool and make them bite for no reason. that goes for anyone breeding pitbulls to. please stop giving them to stupid people.

pitbulls in my opion are the most loving caring most people loving breed there is. there so smarting loyal and affectate that threr is no breed a person can bond with more.
 

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imo using a pit bull for pp work is counter productive to culling dogs that are man biters. with a rise in pit bulls being used for pp i think there would be more h.a. dog bred, then we'd see them in the news more and more bites ect. there are plenty of other dogs that are bred for pp work and plenty of mixes to like bandogges. i have to agree with fh

"its all the dogs that look like pit bulls giving pit bulls bad a bad rep.. along with ingnorant breeding practices and self accountability... These dogs have for sure bit someone they werent supposed to and I bet it was marked as a Pit Bull attack... "

what makes you think a child can handle a dog with that much drive or cares enough to properly train a dog? im pretty sure that the dog could pull a child any where it wanted to with out an issue. as much as i think children need to be protected they dont need to be protected by a dog while on the playground, when the child cant get the dog to release or pry the dogs jaws open then what happens? i think they're cool lookin little dogs but i think the idea behind it is kinda off.
 

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Even a properly bred APBT can be bigger than 40 lbs. And these dogs are not to be taken lightly;)
Oh course it is possible and does happen frequently, though imo one should be under 40. I guess you could say this is more personal preference as i prefer my bulldogs to be on the "smaller" side.
 

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I realise OP is banned but in case they're still reading this thread here goes. These dogs are a bad idea for you. Personally I can't see a reason for this breed to exist at all anyway but wanting one for a pet just because they look cool is seriously misguided.
 

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i mean i get the thing the guy says about the dog bieng a sleeper and people dont think its that powerful. so i think it would be a good pp dog for kids. its little its tough so it can take a kid beating up on it. what i dont like is these dogs end up in the wrong hands. like some lugs that think they look cool and make them bite for no reason. that goes for anyone breeding pitbulls to. please stop giving them to stupid people.

pitbulls in my opion are the most loving caring most people loving breed there is. there so smarting loyal and affectate that threr is no breed a person can bond with more.
PP dog for kids? Seriously? Since when does a kid need a PP dog? Setting that a side what kid can even handle a dog that has remotely high drive? I wouldn't trust a young child with any dog breed alone much less a dog that a fraction of adults understand much less can properly control and handle them.

I guess i should trust my dogs with a child huh? :flush:

Want one as just a pet? Working dogs are not just PETS, they require, need and want work. Theres nothing wrong with loving these dogs as your own family but first and foremost the dog needs a purpose other than sitting on the couch with you and licking you to death. If you want just a pet go to a shelter or get a breed more aimed towards being a pet. Get a Chihuahua if you want papers to brag about.
 

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These dogs are a made up breed, they are nothing more than a pit mix they are trying to pass off as something special and have made them HA. You may want one but that would not be a good idea. You want a nice small explosive package? Get a working bred SBT or an APBT. Don't settle for a mutt. or even a patterdale for that matter.

I like smaller dogs too seems like all my dogs are getting smaller and smaller. I think Siren's female pups are like 35lbs still. Nice small but powerful, more dog than the average owner needs.
 

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im sure there are people out there that have a need/use for these dogs, but the average joe isnt one of em.

km said it best "Want one as just a pet? Working dogs are not just PETS, they require, need and want work" its why working breeds lash out some times. if they dont work then they need to find an outlet and biting your neighbor or killing neighborhood cats may just be that outlet.
 
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