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Did you say dog park?

More often than they should, pit bull owners wonder about the dog park issue, finding themselves explaining to others that their dog is not a "killing machine," it is not "one of those pit bulls" and there is no reason that their dog can't enjoy off leash time with unknown dogs. Some will even insist that "you only add to the misconception toward this breed when you don't allow your friendly pit bull to go to the dog park." After all, these people argue that it is all about "how we raise them" and providing socialization is the key to no problem dogs. Unfortunately, that's not true.

Dog aggression in our own dogs should not be a problem. Good management and knowledge prevent trouble. Responsible and caring pit bull owners have done their homework and know what to expect from the breed. This breed's genetic traits involve dog aggression, to varying degrees. Even the most well socialized pit bull can one day decide that other dogs are not play buddies. It happens most often when the dog reaches maturity between two and three years of age, and it can happen without apparent reason.

Here are some good articles for basic breed information:

Pit Bull Rescue Central
http://www.realpitbull.com/fight.html

Because of the breed's background, it is unfair to expect dogs to behave the way we want them to when it comes to dog aggression and dog to dog relationships. We set our dogs up for failure when we decide to let them off leash in a public place and allow them to romp with other dogs. Dog parks are a place where people like to chit chat with each other, paying very little attention to what happens around their dogs. Posturing, body language, subtle looks and even vocalization are often misunderstood or overlooked by dog owners. Even when dogs let us know what is about to happen we might not see what is happening until it is too late. Most dog owners have no idea of what body language means, and don't know how to intervene if things go wrong. They panic, scream, yell, and hit the attacking dog; all of which often just makes things worse. A fight between two dogs can be hard enough to stop; now imagine a fight among 4 or 5 of them. In fights like these, pets and even people can be seriously injured.

Dog parks are also a place where unknown dogs are present. We don't know if they're fully vaccinated or in good health. They can be sick and our dogs can get ill as well.

We don't know if they are truly friendly dogs or if they may be aggressive. Everybody's dog is friendly, according to their owners. When the "friendly" dog decides to snap at ours, a fight starts.

Who is going to be blamed for that fight? Will it be the pit bull or the cute little fluffy dog? The answer is obvious.

Here is the story of one accident at a dog park, involving a pit bull.:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm

Below is an article about a pit bull named Nettie that attacked a police horse, in San Francisco, in 2003. Nettie was let off leash at a public park by her irresponsible owner. The dog did nothing wrong, but she was set up for failure by the person who should have protected her. Nettie belonged to an SPCA volunteer and she was often taken to senior centers to comfort the elderly. Nettie was a good dog. This pretty pit bull female paid the price for her owner's ignorance and irresponsibility with her life. Many dogs have lost their lives the same way, due to the same kind of irresponsibility. It took her life for her owner to "get it." Like most situations of this sort, the events that ultimately resulted in Nettie's unfair death were totally preventable.

Pit bull attacks police horse in Golden Gate Park; two injured

Each time a pit bull is allowed to harm another pet all pit bull owners and their dogs suffer. One common defensive reaction of dog park lovers is "the dog is mine and it is nobody's business where I take it." This is not true. It is every pit bull owner's business as well. We are surrounded by BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) all over the Country. The news media report dog to dog attacks or dog to cat/cow/horse/sheep attacks almost every day, and with the same attention as if Osama Bin Laden had been captured. Reporters often compare human aggression to animal aggression. How many times do we hear "it was a dog but it could have been a child"?

It is ridiculous but it happens every day. "There goes another vicious pit bull attacking an innocent dog or cat!" What happens after a pit bull attacks another dog in the neighborhood or at the local dog park? It is like we suddenly own wild animals that have no right to exist. Our friendly neighbor suddenly stops talking to us and no longer lets her children come around our dog. The person we used to walk our dog with is no longer available because she fears for her pet. The two men down the street no longer come and pet our dog when we walk by their homes or rush into the house if they have their dogs with them. People ask for a ban. We did not change and our dog is the same as always but this is the result of one mistake, caused by someone who obviously did not care about the rest of us. It is a sad situation to be in.

This breed doesn't need any more accidents, we can't afford them. We are in this situation thank to those who failed their own dogs. When a whole breed suffers because of someone's action it is our business as well. No doubt on that.

Vet bills aren't cheap, emotions can be overwhelming, the guilt stays, so why to risk it? It isn't fair that only one breed is targeted when dogs of other breeds have killed or attacked other dogs. Today, a dog behaving like a dog has become a sin. Fair or not that is how the situation is and every pit bull owner needs to understand it.

The point of socialization is for a dog to have positive experiences with other dogs. When people take their dogs, perhaps puppies, to a park and something happens, they are responsible for the consequences. A young dog that is attacked for no reason won't be so willing to be friendly the next time it meets an unknown dog. An experience like that is a bad start and can often lead to problems in the future. There are no guarantees on what can happen at a dog park because dog parks are often full of different dogs with different personalities and tolerance levels. Even an easy going adult dog can change its approach after an attack. It is hard enough for a dog of this breed to tolerate other dogs and it is a big mistake to contribute to bad experiences. Dogs should always rely on us to defend them--the trust factor is important. We are responsible for protecting our dogs from harm. A dog that has no choice but to defend itself loses its trust in the owner and knows that in the future it needs to take care of itself. It then becomes fearful of other dogs and not so willing to behave like a well-balanced dog that was socialized in the appropriate way.

How can we socialize around other dogs then? Good question. Socialization is a must but it has to be done with common sense and in a controlled environment. Perhaps a friend has a mellow dog of the opposite sex and he/she is willing to let the dogs play together. Both owners should know that there is the possibility of a scrap and will intervene immediately and with the appropriate tools/techniques. Both owners will watch their dogs closely and never leave them unsupervised.

Every pit bull owner should have a breaking stick available, even when on a walk, hidden somewhere. It is a quick and effective way to break a hold.

What is a breaking stick and why it is an important tool to have:
Pit Bull Rescue Central

Some information on how to break up a fight:
Pit Bull Rescue Central

Obedience classes are an option too. In obedience classes, the dogs are leashed and can learn to control themselves in the presence of other dogs. It is not necessary for a pit bull to be dog friendly, but it is necessary for us to help them learn to control natural behaviors. Dogs that are exposed to this kind of environment can learn to behave with some time and work.

The local feedstore/petstore is another way to socialize our dogs, because they are another place where dogs are leashed. It's important to remember that it doesn't mean we don't need to pay attention to the surroundings. Respect the comfort level of your dog and move away from other dogs if necessary. Face to face interactions can quickly end badly, even when both dogs are leashed.

Those who are still convinced that a pit bull belongs to a dog park would benefit from reading these links. Their dogs and all of us will benefit as well.Please, don't set your dog up for failure.

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That was great!:goodpost:

I do have 5 dogs so they play with eachother a lot. IMO dog parks are horrible places for dogs just for the disease alone! Not to mention people never watch their "aggressive" golden retrievers or their "human guarding" 10lb. designer dog.

I just arrange "play" dates with my friends' dogs, etc. We take them for a walk together then let them play in a controlled environment. Its usually not a good idea to allow dogs to have play dates on either of the dog's property-you are asking for trouble. This doesn't just go for pitbulls but goes for all dogs.

My pit and my friend's Rottie spent an hour playing non-stop yesterday! They had a blast.

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You know its truly sad we still have to go though this with people. Theres bound to be people replying on this thread defending the park.
 

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LOL I know but I feel compelled to make sure everyone reads this at least once! Maybe it will sink it maybe it won't LOL
 

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Great post. I have advertised a few pups for sale and strictly in the stipulations for new homes it says no dog parks and you wouldnt believe the hate mail I recieved over that 1 stipulation lol. all the small dog owners are repremanding me for discriminating against this breed and not allowing them to play at dog parks and apparently Im a cruel owner for doing so, where as if something happened where there lil dogs prevoked the pitbull they would be singing a whole new tune. On the up side It made my job a little easier placing with homes that agreed with that rule , I had alot of supportive pitbull owners message me over the past week though agreeing with that rule and understanding. This is a great post for the next hater to message me I may just have to link them here :)
 

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Great reminders. Thanks for posting.

I am having some trouble with the links you have posted. Anyone else having some trouble?
 

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IMO, taking an APBT to the dog park is like playing Russian roulette with two bullets rather than one.
Also, fewer people take proper care of their dogs than we may suspect.
If people wanna go to the dog park, they'd best do it with another breed. JMO.
 
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What are the thoughts on taking your apbt to a dog beach and walking them on the leash.

On the dog beach 90% of the dogs are off the leash but are well trained and walk along the beach with the owners.
 

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What are the thoughts on taking your apbt to a dog beach and walking them on the leash.

On the dog beach 90% of the dogs are off the leash but are well trained and walk along the beach with the owners.
i think you'd be setting your dog up for failure. even with your dog on a leash another dog could still get to him and try to play with or attack him and at that point your dogs on an unfair advantage, if this happens i would think that your dog could develope leash aggression because it was attacked on a leash and now feels like it has to protect itself when its on a leash. just a bad idea in general
 

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i think you'd be setting your dog up for failure. even with your dog on a leash another dog could still get to him and try to play with or attack him and at that point your dogs on an unfair advantage, if this happens i would think that your dog could develope leash aggression because it was attacked on a leash and now feels like it has to protect itself when its on a leash. just a bad idea in general
No dogs really play on the beach, everyone is walking the length of the beach as its a few km's long

At a young age I let dogs come up to her and greet and so on but once at a older age I will be more cautious and maybe not even walk her along the beach but run along the beach to ensure less interaction between dogs.

The reason I ask is I basically live a stones throw from the beach so its a perfect spot to take her every weekend for long walks and a benefit is that she loves the water
 

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No dogs really play on the beach, everyone is walking the length of the beach as its a few km's long

At a young age I let dogs come up to her and greet and so on but once at a older age I will be more cautious and maybe not even walk her along the beach but run along the beach to ensure less interaction between dogs.

The reason I ask is I basically live a stones throw from the beach so its a perfect spot to take her every weekend for long walks and a benefit is that she loves the water
"dont trust a dog you didnt raise or thats not yours" its a good rule of thumb especially when it comes down to them being around apbts. whether a dogs trained or not it can still do what ever it wants when its off leash. i personally wouldnt but if you want to thats your decision and if something happens your dog pays the consequences in the end. im not trying to be harsh but its the facts your gonna be scrutinized for every thing you do with this breed.

i get that its good exercise and i know that you wanna do things with your dog but its just not fair to put your dog in that position. i live a couple miles from the beach and i love a block away from a dog friendly park, the only time is when he goes is at 1 in the morning when the park is completely empty, it has a fenced off area with 2 baseball diamonds and he gets free run of it but when some one comes he gets leashed because its not worth the drama or the problems its the same way with my other dog who is a german short hair pointer. he also never gets to socialize with other dogs while on a walk for the same reason
 

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I being new was a non believer but heeded everyones warnings just to be safe and good thing I did cause recently King has been displaying a Little aggression to other dogs we see at the vet. while this behavior is new it is really uncontrollable he actually gets nuts for lack of a better word and Im glad I didnt find out the hard way. Angelbaby and everyone else on this site thanks for educating cause without the knowledge that you kind people so readily provide my experience would not be as fruitful and enjoyable as it has so keep up the good work folks cause Im sure many people and Pits benefit from such teachings. thanks to all
 

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I being new was a non believer but heeded everyones warnings just to be safe and good thing I did cause recently King has been displaying a Little aggression to other dogs we see at the vet. while this behavior is new it is really uncontrollable he actually gets nuts for lack of a better word and Im glad I didnt find out the hard way. Angelbaby and everyone else on this site thanks for educating cause without the knowledge that you kind people so readily provide my experience would not be as fruitful and enjoyable as it has so keep up the good work folks cause Im sure many people and Pits benefit from such teachings. thanks to all
glad you were able to avoid the problems and drama of the hard way.

always count on a fighter to fight whether its a breed of dog or a person.

just like you can take the dog outta the [] but you cant take the [] outta the dog

drake if its worth the risk to you then do it. but :poop: always happens to people that think it wont happen to them
 

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Thanks for the feedback and by no means do i think your been harsh. I totally understand your point of view.

In the mean time I will continue to take her as its excellent for socializing and she is still really young. Once she gets older I will take her at earlier hours to ensure its easy to keep away from other dogs "Not only is the beach long, its also very wide" :)

At the end of the day even if I walk her around the block or take her to the forest there is a risk of running into other dogs off leash or even stray dogs, so I guess as long as I have control of her on a leash and im alert to what other dogs are doing in the area I feel ok... <--- All that is been said now though, once she is older and also from the feedback from this thread, I might change my mind :)
 

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For me...it all depends. I've been taking my dog to the dog park since she was 3 months. So she was able to associate with all types of dogs growing up. So she does perfect with other dogs. I can fully trust her. The only issue I have to watch out for is when parents take their under 10 to the DOG PARK and decide to RUN...then Vixen sees them as moving targets to bump. Then I have to apologize to the parents for not watching their kids.

But now that she is older...I get more stares from people wanting me to keep my dog away from theirs. I was actually asked to leave a park last week cause we met up with friends at a park. They have a little boy so we hung out near the playground. Even though I never let my dog off leash...a parent came to me and told me I was making a few parents uncomfortable. All this while Vixen calmly sat and wagged her tail and looked at the lady with a smile expecting the lady to give her a pat on her head!

But if I take her to an area with more Latino/African Americans...she's popular :)
 

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I don't like idea I usually take my pup to a beach that does not allow dogs therefore he is the only one there and I gotta deal with people. I run the risk of getting fined potentially for having my dog on a leash than dealing with non leashed dogs not listening to their owners. I have tried places where dogs are allowed off leash ONLY if the can recall to their owners. I found that people who suck at the rules are usually stupid and let their dogs go free even if they do not listen. Your dog would be blamed no matter what happens if anything did. So if anything I go where no dogs are allowed. Usually the other dogs there are just like mine :) Dog aggressive breeds who want to walk in peace without off leash dogs bringing them down...
 

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For me...it all depends. I've been taking my dog to the dog park since she was 3 months. So she was able to associate with all types of dogs growing up. So she does perfect with other dogs. I can fully trust her.
Keep an eye on this as she gets older. Dog tolerance can change once dogs reach maturity.

I took Kane to the dog park all the time when he was a puppy. Just recently though, I've not been able to and have stopped taking him to doggy daycare as well because as he approaches two years (he's 19 months now), he's getting less forgiving of other dogs. He now doesn't like rude dogs whereas before he would just let it slide and not care. I don't think he'll ever be so DA that he wants to get at other dogs and will start a fight at the drop of a hat, but he's definitely getting less dog tolerant and that's something I need to be aware of. It started out very small, when I noticed his tolerance was changing. Just a stiffening here, a small growl there, but I took notice and acted appropriately.
 

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we do the same thing ames but its easier at like midnight :p and ussually im aware of cops and people walking around because i scope a place out before i take my dog there.

At the end of the day even if I walk her around the block or take her to the forest there is a risk of running into other dogs off leash or even stray dogs, so I guess as long as I have control of her on a leash and im alert to what other dogs are doing in the area I feel ok...
why would you even run the risk of walking your dog around strays? you can have control of her on a leash all you want but if another dog rushes her and starts attacking her then what? IF YOU INTERVENE YOU WILL GET BIT i can garuntee it my mom got bit by a st bernard trying to break up a fight from our dog with a dog we rescued, dog made some big puncture holes, the fight stopped right after he bit her but thats because he knew he messed up and so did our other dog, our other dog had puncture wounds on her neck and her side. more over like i stated if your dog does get attacked while she is on a leash then she could develope leash aggression and she could be fine with any dog while shes off leash but when shes on leash she feels trapped and feels she needs to defend her self from every dog she comes across. please just think this all the way through and remember that if something happens all that happens to you is your heart get broken, and the dog pays the price for your mistake
 
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