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hello all, so i am going to give you the whole story, about a month ago my buddy asked me to watch his pitbull meatball for him, she is two months younger than my dog carter, also a pitbull (male), but she is significantly bigger than carter, id say almost 30-40% bigger. Before I let her over we had the meet and play around just to see if they got along, and everything was fine. I have had her for about 3 weeks and they were adorable together, we even called them boyfriend and girlfriend because they were so cute. This was up until three days ago. During the day they got into a little fight that we were able to break up by just raising our voice. We didn't think anything of it and this might of been where I messed up and didn't read this as a signal of anything. Regardless, later that night they got into a bigger fight in which they both were hurt a little and my brother and I were hurt trying to separate them. The fought broke out after I started to feed them, we have a routine where I have them sit, I fill there bowls, then I give them a command that they can eat. A I sat them down meatball just went after carter. It was a good two minutes before we could separate them. Since then they have been separated and have had no contact but I just want to pick the brains of the people here and see why you think this would happen. A side note that I thought of too was that she was on her period. She has been on it for a few weeks and stopped bleeding last week. We are just really curious and concerned why she would attack him like that and why they would fight after being friendly for so long. Any ideas or suggestions or questions please feel free. I am very interested in learning more about this. Thanks all.
 

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First off, it would be best to always feed them in separate rooms or crates to avoid any food aggression issues. Also, dog aggression is a trait of the breed and mixes of. It can happen anytime. Generally come sour between 1-2 but can show up at any age. The best solution will be to crate and rotate. There are lots of threads here on it and also on dog aggression.

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It's also normal for dogs to adjust to their new life and not show their true temperament until they get comfortable. Crate and rotate while looking for a good trainer. They maybe to help you manage them to be able to coexist easier. No trigger feed separate no toys out nothing they could have a spat about if you are able to reintroduce them. Many dogs live happy lives being crate and rotated so if you can't get help right now. Good for you for looking for help like Cain said take a look at some of the threads.

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Why you were feeding them "together" is beyond me :stick:.....my super docile 9 month old female is the furthest thing from aggressive towards other dogs (to date) but I still keep her faaaar away from other dogs or animals if they are feeding or she is feeding. What most likely happened here is that meatball decided he either wanted carter's food or simply didnt want carter to have his food so he snapped! PLEASE ALWAYS FEED SEPARATELY. This fight could have been avoided imo.

Dogs and their food is not something you can "control"......same goes for high-prized treat and bones and toys...
 

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Once dogs fight once (even a small spat)they will engage each other at any given chance from then on. (Atleast this has been my experience) crate and rotate works well. If the other dog isnt your giving it back works best. Its not fair to endanger your dog to do a friend a favor. Just my $.02
 

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Its not fair to endanger your dog to do a friend a favor. Just my $.02
:stupid: And to take that even further....Carter has a negative experience now that he will surely remember. Which is why I shield my Luna from places like dog parks etc...I want her to believe the world is filled with skittles, porn stars and rainbows :poop::pup:
 

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HMMMMMMMM!..........ME THINKS I JUST COME UP WIF MY WEEKEND RANT YALL!
I KNO YALL BEEN MISSIN THE AN ANUDDER THANG POSTS.........HEHE...

TUELLMAN,YOU'RE VERY LUCKY(I DONT BELIEVE IN LUCK BUT CANT SPELL FORNUTNATE)
IT COULDA BEEN ALOT WORSE....ALOT!

BUT IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHY! KINDA MAKES MEGO HMMMMM:hammer:
 

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all good suggestions. i hope you take the advice.
i think your essential question is why... the answer is 2 fold.
1. it is in their nature. no matter what human characteristics we see in our dogs, we must respect their lineage of genetics.
2. you did not take the proper precautions. prevention of the problem is better than solving a problem once it has occurred.
but now you know and you should use the proper strategies. please do not try to find a way around them because you feel it is "unfair" or "cruel" to the dogs. it is actually in their best interest.
 

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It is part of their genetics, never feed or share toys or high value items. I believe and have experienced full blown fights. Not pretty, very bloody and expensive. My two got along great for 6 mths then all hell broke loose. (separate breeds, both fixed) Once an altercation occurs there will never be a safe time for them to be together, imo. Crate & Rotate, some may disagree, some will say get a trainer, you can manage it but never cure it but I've been through it Don't believe they will get over it in a few days or month's it won't happen.
 

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I appreciate all the constructive criticism and strategies to help avoid this. To those that feel the need to poke or ridicule me, I came on here thinking this was a place to gain information on the breed. I love my pittie and the breed and we have small community of pitties here where I live and I am just seeking better strategies for them to coexist and this seemed like a good place. I didnt realize that food or even high valued toys could cause that much tension and I appreciate those that pointed that out to me. As for the suggestions about crating and rotating, is it ever a good idea to have them out at the same time. And im not just asking for Carter and Meatball but even for other dogs that I watch or have over, I mean in general Carter and meatball got a long great and Ill post a pic, I just dont want this to happen again. Again, thanks for those with helpful suggestion.
 

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It is part of their genetics, never feed or share toys or high value items. I believe and have experienced full blown fights. Not pretty, very bloody and expensive. My two got along great for 6 mths then all hell broke loose. (separate breeds, both fixed) Once an altercation occurs there will never be a safe time for them to be together, imo. Crate & Rotate, some may disagree, some will say get a trainer, you can manage it but never cure it but I've been through it Don't believe they will get over it in a few days or month's it won't happen.
I feel that our situations are almost identical, thank you for the response. it was a scary situation and it truly breaks my heart, but I learn from it, thanks again.
 

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Once dogs fight once (even a small spat)they will engage each other at any given chance from then on. (Atleast this has been my experience) crate and rotate works well. If the other dog isnt your giving it back works best. Its not fair to endanger your dog to do a friend a favor. Just my $.02
Thank you for the response, like I mentioned in hindsight that little skirmish they had should have been a red flag for myself. Again thank you.
 

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Why you were feeding them "together" is beyond me :stick:.....my super docile 9 month old female is the furthest thing from aggressive towards other dogs (to date) but I still keep her faaaar away from other dogs or animals if they are feeding or she is feeding. What most likely happened here is that meatball decided he either wanted carter's food or simply didnt want carter to have his food so he snapped! PLEASE ALWAYS FEED SEPARATELY. This fight could have been avoided imo.

Dogs and their food is not something you can "control"......same goes for high-prized treat and bones and toys...
Thank you for the response. I didnt realize how serious the high prized items and food can be. I feed them together intially because of the success I had recently with carter and another pitbull, Broli. Carter basically watched Broli grow up and was like a father or big brother figure so that could have made the situation different. Again I appreciate the response and will take proper precautions in the future.
 

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It's also normal for dogs to adjust to their new life and not show their true temperament until they get comfortable. Crate and rotate while looking for a good trainer. They maybe to help you manage them to be able to coexist easier. No trigger feed separate no toys out nothing they could have a spat about if you are able to reintroduce them. Many dogs live happy lives being crate and rotated so if you can't get help right now. Good for you for looking for help like Cain said take a look at some of the threads.

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thank you so much for your positive response, i love this breed and after this I am definitely taking it more seriously and learning more about them. If you dont mind me picking your brain some, what is your suggestion for how long before you rotate? again thank you for your response
 

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First off, it would be best to always feed them in separate rooms or crates to avoid any food aggression issues. Also, dog aggression is a trait of the breed and mixes of. It can happen anytime. Generally come sour between 1-2 but can show up at any age. The best solution will be to crate and rotate. There are lots of threads here on it and also on dog aggression.

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Thank you so much for you response, i am just seeking further to understand this breed. I love both these dogs so much and we are building a small pitubull community here so I will definitely pass all of this information along to my friends.
 

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This is a great place to learn, just have n open mind about everything. Some come on with this is how it is and don't care what suggestions are given bc it's not what they think is right. And them they get mad or upset bc others don't agree. This is an awesome forum with a lot of awesome information.

Like stated food and high value toys are triggers. Our female mix is food aggressive and of toys are out she will go after one of the other dogs of they just walk by her. There are 2 toys she hasn't ever touched. But we keep everything out up anyway to avoid issues. 2 of mine are DA, but coexist with each other just fine. They get along with each other, just not other dogs in the household. Either of the dogs may never get along with other dogs. That's just how it is.

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Some others crate and rotate as I have only one boy who is anti dogs. I may get another dog one day but since I would have to crate and rotate I haven't met another dog that I wanted to spend time with over my dog. I love him so! lol

Some people use rooms and separate with gates, so they can see the other pup but know their own space. Some have to be closed off in another room or crate. Typically hour intervals. You want to be fair.

http://www.pbrc.net/rotate.html

I do not think any breed of dog should be left alone with any other breed of dog. Just my opinion I know I have bad days every now and then what if my dog had one and no human there to help control the situation.

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The red dog looks border line nervous... the black dog looks bulldog happy..

That says alot. Yes you can let them be free together, just be vigilant. You got a bunch of good advice.

Can't add to much as I feed together, run together, all with top end dogs.. always vigilant. Not many operate with their dogs as I do. It can happen but lord it takes work, wound up dogs like to fight, especially bulldogs. They love to fight something that fights back, in their nature.

Follow the tips presented by others, follow up on them sticky's recommend.. Remain Calm and carry on~

Good lookin couple of dogs though!! Thanks for sharing the pic. Best of wishes.
 

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Thank you so much for you response, i am just seeking further to understand this breed. I love both these dogs so much and we are building a small pitubull community here so I will definitely pass all of this information along to my friends.
*YOU* are building a " community"? In a state that's rife with crap bred APBTs and that has a damn sight of actual good ones? *YOU* who can't even manage your dogs?

Why didn't you " seek to understand the breed " before you even got one? You can't throw a damn rock in Orlando without hitting a bulldog , so instead of " building a small community" why don't you get in contact with some folks who actually know what they're doing as regards these dogs?

Or is that " small community" so *you* can be viewed as some sort of " leader and guru"?

Ever even bothered to read the APBT FAQ? Will you next start to cite to us all here the assorted HSUS and PETA , along with media LIES about the breed?
 
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