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-Freedom requires independence,

-Independence requires the acceptance of self-accountability, &

-Without self-accountability freedom can NOT be maintained.​

Here is why...without maintaining self-accountability, many people will adopt parasitic behavior. Crime an other socially irresponsible behavior will rise...and then in order to protect itself, the host (society) will find it necessary to eliminate the parasite. If we want to maintain freedom, we must accept self-accountability. This requires that breeders and dog owners accept responsibility for their actions. For this to happen, education on responsibility is necessary. Education requires an acceptance of the truth. The truth isn't always nice per say...however, if it is accepted it can be constructive...as the truth builds prosperity via freedom, knowledge, wisdom, and Independence.

Laws then come into place to manage a problem created by the irresponsible...the parasites to society. For this reason, the K9 community must promote responsible breeding and ownership. To solve the problems of irresponsible ownership and breeding, we have to first acknowledge where the weaknesses are so we can fix those weaknesses ourselves. If we refuse to do so, then the public will eventually find it necessary to do so. Maintaining and protecting our freedom requires our independence and accountability...and the promotion of such.

Cars, guns, cigarettes, fast food all do more harm than dogs...but, there are laws regarding off of these topics that require one to be SELF ACCOUNTABLE. Cars requires licensing and insurance. Gun ownership requires that you can't be a criminal (convicted felon) or crazy. Fast food and cigarettes cost you your health...and you can't make others consume them for this reason. Using those products requires free choice...but they also come with accountability. Dog ownership and breeding has not yet required owners and breeders to be self responsible. They should be...but they are not. Many breeders seem to think that one can present an IMAGE of professionalism by creating a nice looking banner...but that does NOT MAKE ONE RESPONSIBLE.

If we are HONEST...out of sight = out of mind. So, why is the public thinking about BSL? It is because they SEE that owners and breeders are not accepting responsibility. The public is having to deal with the consequences. If we properly secured our animals and refused to allow the public ever be subject to paying for our dogs in ANY WAY...we would be fine. If they never were exposed to a dog bite, do you really think they are going to care about the criminal that gets bit while breaking into your home? Nope. If they never had to deal with any pet over-population problem, do you really think they would care if you humanely put down any dog that you didn't want and couldn't find a suitable home for? Nope. Out of sight, out of mind...this means, it is only a problem to the public if the public has to deal with the problem. If we manage ourselves, the public will gladly move on...as it won't be a concern to them.To fight BSL, we have to be self-accountable. This is the ONLY WAY to maintain liberty = independence and accountability. If we don't want laws to regulate us, then we need to use education and accept the philosophy of self-accountability.


Biology defines three types of relationships within a community...


1. Mutualism - both organisms benefit. Both do well. This would apply to "friends and family" as this promotes community.

2. Commensalism - one benefits, the other isn't affected. Both survive. Creating the out of sight out of mind view off the public.

3. Parasitism - one does well by harming others. In order to survive, healthy populations develop a system to resist and eradicate parasites.​

If people are going to be allowed the freedom to post advertisements and banners on a public forum and do so free of charge, then "We the People" have a responsibility to expose bogus claims or promotions of social irresponsibility...in order to protect FREEDOM!

If they want to post, OK fine...but I don't like parasitism. If we do not question social irresponsibility (which IS a form of parasitism), then we are not a free society...but are a socialistic one...and in socialism, the responsible are taxed to take care of the irresponsible. Is this what you want? For once that happens, the next step is slavery...as it becomes impossible for the freedom to survive chaos...and restrictions become more necessary to regain "order"...typically in the name of "safety."

To maintain our FREEDOMS, the parasitic way of thinking needs to be exposed and condemned. By denying self-accountability, parasitism does not operate under the philosophy of independence. As a result, parasitism is a threat to freedom by producing slavery. We do NOT want that!
 

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I'm so glad you posted this! I was thinking along these lines this week after I read an article about BSL.

Question is? How do we curb the irresponsible behaviour? Any ideas anyone?
 

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I'm so glad you posted this! I was thinking along these lines this week after I read an article about BSL.

Question is? How do we curb the irresponsible behavior? Any ideas anyone?
I think people that practice irresponsible behavior should be...

1. approached privately and given advice to see if they will correct themselves.
2. If they refuse the advice...and you KNOW they are irresponsible (not just hearsay), then I suggest exposing them publicly.

It may not a well liked approach, but what else is there?
 

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Excellent point and we, the responsible pitbull owners should be the ones to do this. That way, the public will realise that we ARE trying to do something about it and eventually (hopefully), BSL and all the prejudice will begin to fall away.

Obviously, looking at all points of view, many people feel threatened by these dogs and that is the main purpose for all the restrictions is to feel safer. We may not agree with their lack of understanding about the breed: but education and good role models are the key to fighting back. Tia Torres is the perfect example.

Are there any other organisations out there?
 

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BTW- you have one amazing looking pit! And you're little boy is just gorgeous!
I'm not normally a fan of brindle, but he/ she makes it look good.
 

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BTW- you have one amazing looking pit! And you're little boy is just gorgeous!
I'm not normally a fan of brindle, but he/ she makes it look good.
Its a Bandog Mastiff not an APBT..

On the flip side, not everyone has the essentials to speak out on behalf of an entire breed or breeds.. Have to know what your speaking of..

Great topic Chimera, excellent post.
 

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Hahahaha. And I was just reading your posts about 'shelter dogs...'. Don't lose patience- I'm still a bit of a newbie - but I'll learn.

But one can't give up. Essentials- maybe not! However, with some tutoring and passion for the breed, there's always hope! Am I being Naïve? Maybe!
 

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But in the whole spirit of learning ............ What is a band dog? And how is it different to a pit?
 

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The dog is an American Sentinel K9. I do not refer to my dogs as Bandogs because "bandog" is too general of a term lacking the specificity we require in our program, and simply put there are bandogs out there that IMO suck...and have NOTHING in common with our dogs. Our program is 11 years old now, and is working on the 4th, and in some cases 5th generation dogs from our program...not to mention that some of our foundation dogs were already multi-generational as well. We breed towards a specific working standard. You can see more about our dogs at Home - Chimera Kennels

P.S. It pleases me to see people appreciate the importance of this topic. In order for these types of dogs to be around in the future, we have to accept responsibility for the breed.
 

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Excellent post. The crux of the problem lies in that few are able to see themselves in the parasitical role. I have yet to meet a BYB who didn't think they were doing it for 'the right reasons' and wree not 'part of the problem' (if they even knew/acknowledged there IS a problem)
 

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Excellent post. The crux of the problem lies in that few are able to see themselves in the parasitical role. I have yet to meet a BYB who didn't think they were doing it for 'the right reasons' and wree not 'part of the problem' (if they even knew/acknowledged there IS a problem)
That's why WE HAVE TO CONFRONT THEM about it. We need to do this FIRST PRIVATELY. If we are successful, they can learn...and we need to be constructive. BUT, if it is clear they are NOT willing to learn or have clearly displayed malice in their advertising...I believe it is GOOD for us to expose them.

Not everyone agrees with me on this of course, but...if we don't expect more from our own community, than we will have a hard time protecting our future.

ACCOUNTABILITY is COMING, however, it may end up being a race :pupruns: as to in what form it gets here...bsl, or self-moderation via education.
 

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Have you ever tried this personally? I do support what you're saying so don't get me wrong. But I have to admit that I have was a byb.
They were husky's and I only bred them once. None of them were papered- from the parents to the pups. I can honestly say that I didn't know all about the processes and technicalities involved, and have learned a lot since I joined this site. But that just goes to show that there are a lot of people who think they know about their dogs and being resonsible when they actually don't know anything.
 

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Of course. Many times. Some times it works...some times it doesn't, but not doing anything certainly doesn't work at all.
so true! I just need to know when to give up. I have a hard time knowing when to give up trying to talk some sense into them...
 

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If they punch you in the mouth or call the cops, you've gone too far. If they stomp off in a huff, you've probably come on too strong, but may have planted a seed (though most will try to not let the seed flourish, even just out of spite) If you can find dome sort of common ground and engage them on a level where they can relate to you about SOMETHING, it tends to stick better.
 
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