I dont think cesears methods are instant either, alot of people get that idea though figure it was 1 episode it cant be that long. I think there are more then 1 proper way to train a dog and thats where you run into people bashing other trainers not everyone is going to agree and not 1 person is always right. I think if you can take methods that work for you even if its from various trainers then thats fine, I know there are training methods I think are repulsive and yet others swear by them , to each there own I guess. the fact is cesear does get results and his dogs do seem to live harmoniously together for the most part , are there yard accidents on his yard? probably , has anyone here had yard accidents ever? most have { those with numerous dogs} I think anyone in the spot light is going to be hated on out of jealousy or just people blowing things out of porportion i truely believe if he was horrible and cruel there would be people up his a$# pressing charges and big media scandals going on about it all. if you dont like someones methods cesear or anyone else thats your right and thats fair but to act like someone is cruel and an animal abuser because you dont agree with the methods is absurd. JMO looking at it from both sides and there are people out there on Tv training animals I dont agree with but wouldnt call them abusers because of my opinion on there techniques.
I didn't bash in my last post. I never said Cesar's results are instant, just in dealing with clients at the shelter that's an issue brought up and it's sort of a habit saying that. If you didn't like it, sorry.
I'm not trying to argue or bash your opinion at all. I'm trying to have a discussion.
I don't see learned helplessness as results. And where is the justification in dragging a 90lb+ dog up stairs in a choke chain? At least use a flat collar.
Learned helplessness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As to Victoria not handling serious cases, did you see the one where she worked with a very dog aggressive Boxer that had bit a man and his dog during the video?
Also, you shouldn't correct aggression like he does. It simply suppresses the behavior.
1) The methods you are using may not appropriate for his or her issues. People who are using aversive or punishing methods to suppress the behavior will often find that they are increasing the anxiety rather than decreasing it. This means while the behavior may be temporarily suppressed, the dog's mood and attitude towards his triggers have not been improved.
He also doesn't understand dominance truly...He's even said that a dog was being dominant by playing with a lazer pointer. And darting out the door isn't dominance, the dog is likely excited for a walk or has to use the restroom badly.
A dog pulling on the lead isn't dominant...The dog is lacking training.
Millan's Theory - Can Only Be Called Dog Crap - Steve Dale's Pet World
Some good techniques don't make the bad ones tolerable. :/
The only reason I'm not speaking out against Victoria is that I haven't seen many of her shows, whilst I used to be an avid fan of Cesar.
