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I noticed that no one has mentioned the Ruffian line at all. I herd that it runs off the Grey line? On a 1-10 scale what does it rate?
What's the history of Ruffian bldlns. ?
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The ruffian strain is the oldest most storied amstaff line ever created.
All ruffian dogs will eventually trace back to tudors black jack,a game dog who carryed the diluted triat that makes dogs blue,as many of his ancestors were..Blue dogs were first found in any great number in the ruffian strain i believe,it has also been rumored there was a bit of mixing with wiemeraner[no facts or proof to back it up].so does ruffian run off of greyline,no,but gray line probably was founded off of ruffian dogs,so id say grey line actually runs off ruffian if anything.
For a apbt bloodline it ranks at a zero,because its a amstaff,but for a amstaff its a 10.....
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All ruffian dogs will eventually trace back to tudors black jack,a game dog who carryed the diluted triat that makes dogs blue,as many of his ancestors were..Blue dogs were first found in any great number in the ruffian strain i believe,it has also been rumored there was a bit of mixing with wiemeraner[no facts or proof to back it up].so does ruffian run off of greyline,no,but gray line probably was founded off of ruffian dogs,so id say grey line actually runs off ruffian if anything.
For a apbt bloodline it ranks at a zero,because its a amstaff,but for a amstaff its a 10.....
yes this line is old schooll
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Do yu own a kennel or sumreversebluekennel said:
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Cane! , Thanks for the information ,this at least gives me a good lead or a place to start in doing more research.cane76 said:The ruffian strain is the oldest most storied amstaff line ever created.
All ruffian dogs will eventually trace back to tudors black jack,a game dog who carryed the diluted triat that makes dogs blue,as many of his ancestors were..Blue dogs were first found in any great number in the ruffian strain i believe,it has also been rumored there was a bit of mixing with wiemeraner[no facts or proof to back it up].so does ruffian run off of greyline,no,but gray line probably was founded off of ruffian dogs,so id say grey line actually runs off ruffian if anything.
For a apbt bloodline it ranks at a zero,because its a amstaff,but for a amstaff its a 10.....
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yes this line is old schooll
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"For a apbt bloodline it ranks at a zero,because its a amstaff,but for a amstaff its a 10....."
Unless your showing or have your dog registered in the UKC...then it's a great APBT bloodline.
Unless your showing or have your dog registered in the UKC...then it's a great APBT bloodline.
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Actually he's dual reg. w/ UKC and ADBA . Has any one in here ever herd of the Late / Great GRND. CH. Iron Bear Booda(out of Iron Bear Kennel in Florida ) ? well the dog in the pic is double bred by Booda and that's where his Ruffian came from.
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Check out 'Penuts' ped on my site. She has a lot of Ruffian/Rounders, especially in her back gens. http://www.3pkennels.com/females.htm
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yha just one lool and i was able to agree with you that penut and my dog(Shcoolboy) must have the same thing in commin and this the Ruffian bloodline . I see a lot of similarity in the stuot stance ,the hight ans size and thierheads make ...
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All of my pedigrees trace back to the Ruffian lines. Some of the nicest show dogs in history were Ruffian bred, and you will find it behind virtually every Amstaff somewhere.
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I am not sure my peds are working on my site because of the problems with the apbt regristration but I like ruffian blood. I have done my research on the line too. I don't understand why everyone calls them a AM. Staff blood only because they share blood with some the best bulldogs (pitbulls) around very good gamedogs too. Maybe it helps the old dogmen sleep better that they know that their dogs don't have blue blood. or should I say a recessive black dilute gene.
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All AmStaff lines eventually go back to "game dogs".show me real pits kennels said:
Here is what i read about the blue blood. I thought i was diluted as well but it appears to have been around before the 30's in Lightner dogs. The was a match between 2 lightner dogs. One was old family and the other the darker/blue varities. This is where is read it from... http://www.riospitbull.com/blue_bloodlines.htm At first they talk about Razors Edge and then they get to the Lightner's in the second article. Check it out!!cane76 said:The ruffian strain is the oldest most storied amstaff line ever created.
All ruffian dogs will eventually trace back to tudors black jack,a game dog who carryed the diluted triat that makes dogs blue,as many of his ancestors were..Blue dogs were first found in any great number in the ruffian strain i believe
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color is a gene mutation. So usually the color comes from inbreeding which causes the genes to mutate which changes the color of the pups in that litter. So remember all colors come from gene mutation and most of the time the mutation happens from inbreeding. Sometimes it can happen by mixing dogs but its rarer than the inbreeding.
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The mutation that causes dilution happened long ago in dogs. It has been well-established in many breeds of dogs for a long time.
It is considered a RECESSIVE gene, carried independently from the genes that code for COLOR. Dilution is a modifier gene: it modifies the black color to blue and the fawn color to blue fawn.
Because it is recessive and needs 2 copies to be expressed (one from each parent), those genes are more likely to come together when the dogs are related. It is a gene that is widely spread in American Staffordshire Terriers and even just line-breeding will get you blue dogs.
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