this sparked a big discussion, here is the thread where this was posted

http://www.gopitbull.com/general-discussion/14845-interesting-info.html

 

great post, i agree b99 selective breeding has made them into 2 different breeds. beautiful dogs none the less.:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:

 

Yeah, saw that thread. But I figured since it was my work, I should post it officially. Thought I had, but I guess not.

 

Funny thing about this post is that some of the UKC dogs lead right back to amstaff's. I am sure you already knew that though,

 

funny thing is alot of ukc and adba dogs lead back to akc am staff dogs.

 

There's a little (or a lot of) AmStaff in most of the top-winning UKC dogs. Which is why some of us are against dual-registering AKC/UKC. But its not a popular stance to take, so I doubt that the continued introduction of AKC blood into APBT lines will cease.

 

The pictures I was referring to it is 1st generation and maybe 5th or 6 generations back.
The pictures I would think that would be better used would be the one's on the national board under National Grands and Champions
they have pictures from every year going back to _____

funny thing is alot of ukc and adba dogs lead back to akc am staff dogs.
Breaks this down
UKC back to Amstaffs
well this is true in the true what you want to call "APBT's" many generations back you would find some amstaff but I would think more likely you would trace back to ADBA-game

ADBA back to Amstaffs
well I don't know about this one because the 1st AKC stud books were from the ADBA -game dogs
ADBA was 1st
next AKC (opened stud books for APBT's in 1936 I beleive and then one more time not sure of the year)
then UKC
(I don't know th exact dates it's late)

here is some stuff from the site

National American Pit Bull Terrier Association

NAPBTA Archives - PAST
National Grands by Year
National Champion Winners by Year
National Stud Dog & Brood Bitch Winners
Handler Of The Year Awards
Top 20 producing APBT sires 2001
Top 20 producing APBT dams 2001
Top 20 producing APBT sires 2004
Top 20 producing APBT dams 2004
Top 20 producing APBT sires 2006
Top 20 producing APBT dams 2006

 

good post i noticed alot of grch ast from ukc in my dogs ped and just a few ch from akc and one international gr ch from akc but i was not thinking that far back thanks for making me think out side the box!

 

I've met Matthew, Bronson and Oz in person. Those pics barely do them justice. I have alot of pics of those dogs. Matthew and Bronson are in the same age group and before they were Ch. we all showed against each other.

 

Pitbullgirl, 'twas quite hard to find pics of most of the ADBA dogs especially.

 

Yeah,, just underlined the reason I love game dogs....

 

Ok, learning here so bare with me. From what I'm seeing here the APBT or ADBA seems to be the "game bred" dog. And forgive me if I get this wording wrong. These dogs seem to have a smaller head still box shaped but longer muzzle. Are more leaner built and tall.
The UKC dogs or as some are calling them the show type, look almost like an amstaff with the shorter muzzle and boxier head, yet taller than the amstaffs. Is this what is referred to as a bully?
The amstaffs are a breed recognized by the AKC period.
The ambully or staff bully or whatever I've heard some refer to look to me to be the same as the amstaffs, but I do see a big difference in their eyes. They are rounder and a bit more prominent than other types when they have a lot of amstaff in them.
The bullies that some are referring to are very short legged, very big headed, wide dogs. And then they are suppose to come in small and extra large?
Wow this is a lot to take in!!
Some pics I look at seem to say the game type dog is the APBT and the Bully is just the show version of it. I don't see a huge difference in those two.
Somebody HELP HERE????

 

The bully may be a show off version, but there is a huge difference, and it comes from something you can't "physically" see..

 

Maybe someone can post a pic of eacy "type"?

PS for the duel registering portion of this. Again, I come from the horse world and in the Arabian horse registry you have a full Arabian or a half arabian registry. People there do the same. They will have a full arabian and register it as a half and show against half arabs. It's really not fair but it happens. The American Paint horse association had a bit of a problem with some registered paints coming out colored and some solid. Both are registered but it was very hard to show a solid horse against a loud colored horse. They solved the problem by having two distinct showing classes. They made another class called breed stock classes which are for solid horse only.

 

i like the ADBA verison

 

My dog looks like the ADBA style.
From what I've heard on here they are one of the not so good regestries?
Does that compromise the dogs breeding/bloodlines at all?
Although they look to have more gameness like the origanal APBT?

 

The ADBA is an excellent registry. All my dogs are UKC/ADBA

 

The AKC dogs look a leetle tubby

 

The AKC dogs are by definition, Amstaffs. And yes a lot of them are shown out of condition even over here.

 

I think that would be a matter of opinion. Depends on what you would call tubby or out of condition. Some may not like the dog to look like a starved greyhound. Personally I think Anna Nicole (in the beginning days) looked way better than some of the skinny models of today. While condition to one may mean anorexic to others. Compare a body builder to a swimmer. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

 

I think they all are great looking dogs.